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User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Anyone heard which cities Jet2 will be serving when they launch from LBA in February next year? The announcement is due today - but can't find anything as yet.

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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2397 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Jet2 is pleased to announce the following destinations for 2003:
Amsterdam
Barcelona
Malaga
Milan - Bergamo
Nice
Palma
Flights will commence in February with all six destinations being fully served by Easter. You will be able to book flights in early December.



Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineFax From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Excellent news!!! No longer will I need to go scufferjet from John Lennon to PMI to see my Mom!!

I do hope they are fog trained though...pea souper tonight here in Halifax!


User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1567 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

This is another airline that Channel Express will be operating for. Not sure how long that contract is for though.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1555 times:
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Lapper,
Jet2 IS Channel Express. They are using Jet2 as the brand for their low-cost operations, which will be flown alongside their contract work for other airlines.

Their website is up and running at:
http://www.jet2.com

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

The guy from Jet2 was on local news last night. They will start with flights to Amsterdam in February 2003 before rolling out the rest of the routes by May, with one flight per day per destination. Four a/c will be based at LBA, but he indicated one will be on standby most of the time. A further two routes will be announced before start up in Feb. Cheapest fares will be about £20 each way plus taxes.

User currently offlineEGNM-LBA From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Amsterdam will be twice daily from Feb-12th with each of the other routes becoming at least once daily by Easter. Bookings will be able to be made from 4th December onwards.

Intended utilisation is 4 x B737-300 with 3 return sectors per day - 12 return flights in total. Given you could feasibly fit 4 return sectors per day from each aircarft - 16 in total. This means they will be left with 4 spare return sectors, hence the comment that theoretically, one a/c will be spare.

At present, 2 daily x sectors to AMS + 1 each to Barcelona, Milan, Malaga, Palma and Nice gives them 7 daily sectors in total. With 5 daily sectors spare, it is unsurprising that more routes are due to be announed soon.

EGNM




User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

This is fantastic news for LBA. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to realise it's potential for a low cost airline, suprised Bmi Baby didn't start services there actually.

Looking forward to seeing those 733's parked on the ramp, just hope their pilots are used to high winds and fog !!.

Is Servisair or Aviance handling them ?.

LBA just needs to sort out their issues with coaching pax to a/c now they will have all these extra flights that no boubt will be parked further away from the building. It's not pleasent walking out to an a/c in that wind and rain, even if it is right outside the door !, I think some more coaches should be ordered - 3 ain't going to be enough now.

 Smile



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User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Interesting you mention BMIbaby. BMI appear to have reduced their fares on the LHR route. Day return to London first flight out last flight back Saturday before Xmas £41.00 inc taxes!

User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

"just hope their pilots are used to high winds and fog !!"

I was up at LBA once this Summer in the 757. Not too windy thankfully on the day in question. They could be doing with getting rid of the short 09/27 runway and extending the apron a bit to allow better stand / parking configuration I think. It's a bit tight at the moment, especially when you have 4 new based jets arriving soon. Not much room for expansion.

A taxiway all the way to the 32 threshold wouldn't go amiss either. The Captain I flew up there with showed his age as we taxied out on Delta towards 32 by saying "I remember when this used to be a runway!". Had to laugh...



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineEGNM-LBA From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

Rick - depending on who you talk to, there are some infrastructural improvements in the pipeline along the lines you suggest.

The main thing to sort out though is the CAT3 ILS on 32. The rapidly rising ground in the undershoot results in the need for a big displaced threshold which in turn results in the touchdown zone being at the start of the downslope on the runway. Not really a problem for hands-on landings, but on auto-lands a/c tend to 'float' down the runway. The result is that the likes of Britannia and bmi won't accept any tailwind compenent for CAT2/3 approaches and a number of unncecessary diversions occur as a result.


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

Heard the Fokkers can't autoland on 32, or was that just the F50s? How does the Airbus handle it?

Sure gets foggy up on that hill in the winter so such issues need addressing I suppose. There's no CATII/III on R/W14 to save your a** if 32 has even a slight tailwind. Off to Manchester it is then....



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineFax From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

scariest landing I ever had was at LBA (much as I love flying from there- its a great airport!!).

Lets just say I have been microlighting, ballooning, parascending, you name it I've done it..I don't scare easily, but EGNM-LBA is right with the floating...we floated that far, the AEA pilot had to cram all on and we went past the turning point before we had stopped...try and visualise a November evening with ice and pea soup fog, screaching brakes and swerving to the left...just your average day up at LBA!!!.

To top it all, as if the end of the runway wasn't slap bang in front of us before we stopped.....lets just say it was a bit wiffy when we hit the airgate!

Leeds bradford Airport, you've got to love it!

Fax


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

I remember when I was young, we were in a BY 732 that was landing in a thunderstorm. (This was in the days before the extension opened.), we were all over the place on the approach and slammed down hard. There was so much spray coming out that you couldn't see anything out of the windows. Inside that aircraft it was silent, until my dad shouts out at the top of his voice "Don't worry, there is a cemetry at the end of the runway !". How embarrased was I !!. When we finally came to a stop, everyone started to clap (it was a charter after all  Smile )

I love riding into LBA on the Jseat. When I used to work for Bmi and fly home, I used to try and get in as much as possible. Those LBA pilots really slam them a/c down and use full brakes to stop intime for the last turnoff onto the apron, without having to go all the way to the loop. Leaves you hanging in the harness - great fun  Big thumbs up

I used to hate working there sometimes though, especially in the winter. The should re-name it Leeds/Bradford International Coach Station in the winter months !!.

Remember once seeing a Jersey European SH360 hovering above the airport. It took off on 27 and was airborne before it got level with the terminal building. It shot up to about 300ft and just sat there, the wind was so strong that we coached the pax to the a/c and had to bring the coach in at right angles to the a/c so the door was right next to the steps. Myself and my supervisor had to physically hold every passenger by both arms to aid them to stand upright to board the a/c, I've never skydived but after that day I can imagine what it feels like and we didn't even leave the ground !!. When it was airborne, it must have taken about 5-10 mins to clear the airfield boundry. Everyone was out on the ramp watching it, the Fire service were ready to just incase. I'll never forget that one  Wow! .

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineEGNM-LBA From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

There certainly can be some interesting moments from time to time - the Challenger that dropped a wing during a landing on 14 last year springs to mind.

In general though, the effect of the weather is over-hyped. In 2001 LBA had 103 diversions out to other airports and 14,200 successful landings (+ the private & club stuff). We also had 49 inbound diversions from other fields.

The largest number of outbound diversions from a UK airport was at Bristol with 161. With its higher number of movements, this puts the rate of diversions at about the same as LBA (1 for every 140).

With additional landing distance on 32, LBA diversions coiuld feasibly be as low as 20-50 per annum, being the odd occasions when the viz is consistently below 300m (CAT2 minima) or those days when the wind reads '230 25 GUSTING 45'

EGNM


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

What about the L1011 that went off the runway at LBA? Anyone have any memories of that?


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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

GKirk,

Though I was merely a boy, our neighbour (with whom we are still good family friends) was LBA Airport Managing Director (or assistant director?) at the time, and was standing on the apron at the time of the incident, sheltering from the rain under the wing of some turboprop which was being inspected due to some technical issue.

He tells a great story about the whole event... not sure what he's up to these days actually, does airport consulting all over the world I think. His daughter is now an ATCO in the tower @ LBA though.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Should have diverted the L1011 to a decent airport like Carlisle  Laugh out loud


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineFax From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

EGNM-LBA

What's the likelihood of the runway being extended? I've heard lots of rumours but nothing concrete (pardon the pun!!)

Fax


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

I don't think they can extend it much, if recollection serves me correctly there is a big drop and a road off the 14 end and just a big drop off the 32 end!


I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineEGNM-LBA From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Extensions at both ends are technically feasible. Yes the land does fall away at both ends and some land fill would be necessary. The last few hundred metres of 14 and the entire Eastern apron are built on land-fills so it is possible.

A clue as to how high the land would need to be built up is provided by the approach lights, which sit in the undershoots on large metal poles in order to bring them up to runway elevation. Effectively the land would need to be built up to that height before concrete could be laid.

An extension at the 32 end is unlikely due to the greater amount of land-fill and the proximity of the houses. The 14 end has a more shallow drop-off and has no homes within miles so this is the likely end in my opinion - don't think it will be soon though.


User currently offlineFax From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

thanks for the info!

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Whats the point of runway extension when MAN is so near?!?
None....exactly  Big grin



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User currently offlineEGNM-LBA From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

GKirk - LBA and MAN are competing airports, owned and operated independantly each other. Each airport will therefore do what it can to win passengers from the other. If LBA believe that a runway extension will encourage more operators to serve the Yorkshire market from LBA as opposed to from MAN, or will encourage low-cost operators to come and compete with MAN, then why would'nt they do it?


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7437 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1232 times:
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Agree with EGNM, though all I can say is that each new low-cost base is offering a number of destinations that are the same as rival "low-cost" airports which I anticipate creating problems in the long-term as all these services will do is pinch passengers from each other, with MAN, LHR & LGW being the only airports that will be of benefit to the business passenger due to the greater choice of destinations available.

In fact, didn't LBA did welcome the 2nd runway at MAN as being beneficial to the North of the country? Our runway will help with the aim of creating "hubs" for both oneworld and Star Alliance; some of the services that are run daily need to be have a 2nd service, with long-haul services retimed so that there is a greater amount of transfer traffic generated. At the moment, I can't see the need for any more low-cost operations at MAN beyond Monarch, though one couldn't really classify them as being in that sector.

LBA should they proceed with their runway plans ought to be able to generate a largish increase in charter traffic..bigger aircraft? more long-haul flights? Jet2's problem may lie in the "unknown" factor given that buzz, Ryanair & easyJet have been around a lot longer so they would have enhanced brand recognition.

David


25 BHXviscount : David, MAN,LHR & LGW being the only airports that will be of benifit to the business passenger due to the greater choice of destinations available yet
26 Post contains links and images Leezyjet : GKirk, I actually sent off for the accident report for that L10-11 from the AAIB earlier this year, never realised that it was G-BBAI until I got the
27 Post contains images Blueshamu330s : I think the most memorable part of the report into the L1011 excursion at EGNM was the penultimate comment made by the captain. As the engines can be
28 David_itl : Shamu, perhaps you're thinking of the incident at BRS in 1984ish? Twas operating an Aviaco charter I believe. Developed your "Seth Efriken" accent ye
29 Post contains images Leezyjet : Blueshamu330's "Well that just about makes my f*****g day!!!" I don't remember reading that bit in the AAIB report !!. Just after they touched down an
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