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User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Posted (16 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

When it comes time for the Metrojet to replace their 732s do you think they will be a319s like the rest of the US fleet or the more efficient 737sNGs? Does Boeing have a chance here?

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User currently offlineABQ757 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (16 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

I believe that they will use 737NG's, you can always use the good ol' 737 in your fleet.

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 12395 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (16 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Dude, it's way too early to tell. The 737s will still be in the US fleet 6 to 8 years from now as most are quite young. Look for the 732s to go away, and have a Metrojet fleet of about 50-80 733s. Post this again in 5 years.  

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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (16 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

The 737-300's start doing MetroJet duty, 4th quarter, according to an official company statement. The LGA-MCO/TPA/PBI/FLL routes all go to MetroJet on 7 May. This was announced last week, just in case anyone wasn't informed. So much for quick turns, hehe. Reason: the overwhelming demand for low fares in this market, go figure? And a question for D L X. Who are you? You seem to be very knowledgeable about US Airways. If you could E-Mail me privately, please, thanks.

User currently offlineKLM 777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (16 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1097 times:

So much for JetBlue then........(IF MJ finally get their s**t together that is)

User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (16 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

Metro jet is a poorly managed JOKE! Anyone remember CO Lite... MJ is looking more and more like it. MJ has pulled out of more markets than they fly to.. Not a good sign...

User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (16 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 1065 times:

Activale, you're off your rocker.

Metrojet has great load factors. THe service is crap, but the load factors are high.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (16 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 1060 times:

As US Airways receives more new A319s & A320s they will probably transfer some of their 737-300s over to MetroJet to replace some of the 737-200s.

User currently offlineAa737 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (16 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 1060 times:

Will some one tell me what's wrong with MJ managment? I just want to know what you are talking about when you say when MJ can "pull their sh*t togetther."

User currently offlineKLM 777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (16 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

Here's why MJ can't get their sh*t together.....


The biggest problem is the initial plan for MetroJet had 54 aircraft in the system by the
end of 1999. As of now there are only 45 planes in the MetroJet fleet. That is 9 planes
that were planned that weren't added or dropped. Thats a lot of flights with the current
utilization of the MetroJets. The fleet was downsized for a number of reasons (take your
pick) crew shortages due to Airbus training, pulling traffic off of mainline, maintenance requirements or old planes that just couldnt handle the service requirements. This all
combined last year to be a serious problem in the high number of MetroJet cancellations.

Instead of trying to offer something that couldnt be delivered someone (finally) decided to pull back and things have been improving with the cutbacks. RSW service was advertised and then pulled before starting. Also BHM/STL/CMH/MKE/BUF/ROC have been started and dropped and several other routes were announced and not started ATL-RDU and still others recently dropped TPA-BDL. I think its a matter of finding the right markets that can sustain traffic. Some of the markets dropped looked like a good plan, but competition and other factors dont always work the way its planned. The same thing has been happening at Delta Express when they announced TPA-PHL flights and yanked them before they even started flying. Other markets have been very good, witnessing the addition of a 4th TPA-BOS flight. Hopefully they'll continue to fine tune the system and match the right markets to demand.


In addition JethroJet is still searching for a good home. Couldn't cut it at BWI against Southwest....IAD didn't exactly work out either. BOS was flirted with for a while but it looks like now it will be LGA. MJ will replace mainline flights to Florida out of LGA this spring going head to head with Delta Express and even JetBlue. The reason I said they can't get their sh*t together is that MJ is continually adding and dropping cities and has yet to define a clear role for itself. Maybe DLX or someone with more knowledge on the subject can elaborate on this. For now it seems they will try the niche markets running high load factors and low yields---that seems to be a tried and true strategy that has paid off for WN, DLexpress, etc. It has been one crazy ride for MJ these past few years.

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 12395 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (16 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Sorry I didn't respond to this earlier. I got wrapped up in a DCA debate, which I might add, everyone but me is wrong.  


People need to step back for a second and realize that Metrojet is not its own entity that is managed completely separate from US Airways mainline. Why is that important? The reason is that the needs of mainline since it is a bigger moneymaker than MJ can override the needs of MJ. This summer, MJ expansion was drastically slowed because mainline was running out of planes due to labor issues. Thus, flights were cut. These were mostly IAD routes. Since they hadn't been around very long, they had not all matured into big money makers yet. As far as I know, MJ is still beating Southwest at BWI, and no routes were canned. (Read MJ has more of the BWI market share.)

The BOS-MDW flight being cancelled makes everyone think that MJ is very poorly managed. Well, these people need to understand just what it takes to put a route into service. First off, things have to be "pipelined" in order to get it done in a timely manner. This means apply for a gate, prepare to add planes to a fleet or drop other routes, and even announce and book the flight nearly at the same time expecting to complete all other tasks on time. If everything goes as planned, the flight flies full the first day. But what if something goes wrong, like not being able to secure a gate at MDW? You see, Southwest or any other competition had absolutely nothing to do with US not flying this route. But, note the BOS/BDL-Florida routes will remain, at least in the winter. I would not be surprised if they were moved in the summer, because there is much less market for these flights then.

BTW, all airlines are continuously adding and dropping flights. For some reason, people focus on the ones added or dropped by Metrojet as if it is some sort of metric on how well an airline is doing. Go count up how many flight schedules were rearranged at AA or UA or DL recently and compare.

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