LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4140 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3534 times:
After the LOI it was already almost certain that KLM would order the A330. This morning KLM confirmed ordering 8 A330. Delivery will start in April 2005 due to the fact KLM hasn't decided yet on which engine to take.
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4934 posts, RR: 47 Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3435 times:
Then reasons KLM ordered the A330-200 are quite simple: for many of their routes, mostly the ones on which the 767 is used today, the 777 would be too large and heavy, it would be overkill. The A330-200 is considerably smaller, but still has sufficient range and, above all, enough cargo capacity (the lack of cargo capacity appears to be the main reason KLM wants to get rid of its 767s). So the A330 was obviously the best choice for this segment.
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4140 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3054 times:
i also heard the following rumour: they only ordered these a330 so boeing will drop the prices on the 777's. eventually the a330 would be leased out to others.
Absultely not true as they first ordered the B777 (firm order in May 2002) and then the A330 (only just today). However you won't see them on the Boeing site as they're part of an order placed by ILFC, the leasing company which will lease the B777 to KLM.
N79969, KLM doesn't have any leasing firm there's no gain for KLM to follow such a strategy.
the lack of cargo capacity appears to be the main reason KLM wants to get rid of its 767s
Or better, KLM wants to get rid of the LD2 containers which aren't compatible with the LD3 conatiners which fit in all the other wide bodies (Yes I know that LD3 fits into a B767, but only at a loss)
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4934 posts, RR: 47 Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3048 times:
The comparison to SIA makes little sense, as SIA has a leasing arm, SALE, so it's only normal for them to order planes for that leasing arm. SIA also makes it very clear, when ordering planes, that they will go to SALE. KLM does NOT have a leasing arm, and has clearly announced its intention to operate the A330.
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4934 posts, RR: 47 Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3003 times:
The picture you see is in no way official, it's from a site which specialises in making fake pictures of planes. I would be highly surprised if KLM chose PW engines for the A330, considering that ALL their other widebodies have GE CF6 engines, and they've already selected GE for the 777s as well.
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4140 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2990 times:
All the A330 will be leased A330's and KLM doesn't lease out its "own" aircraft (tecnically KLM doesn't own any aircraft as they're all leased from various leasing companies) to other airlines anymore.
The A330 will be going to the Middle East (except AMM, BEY and DAM) Western Africa and will porbably end up on AMS-LHR for test flights (as usual)
PW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 1981 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2971 times:
Indeed quite ironic.
KLM ordered the A310 way back in the eighties, mainly for their cargo capacity. They replaced the A310 by the 767 because the 767 had much better range. Then they found out that the 767 cargo capacity was quite disappointing. And now they are replacing the 767 by the A330 because the 767 doesn't have the cargo capacity!
The 777/330 combination is getting quite popular these days!
Mr. Ford once sold his T-Ford like this: "You can have it in any colour as long as it's black!"
KLM purchasing department: "Mr Noël Forgeard, please feel free to deliver the goods equipped with any kind of engine, as long as it has GE all over it...".
Immigration officer: "What's the purpose of your visit to the USA?" Spotter: "Shooting airliners with my Canon!"
Raggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 958 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2958 times:
kl has talked about nw ordering the 330 as well, and that it would open up new perspectives in the alliance in terms of maintenance and operation.. so maybe pratt can land this...
but my bet is the 72K CF6-80E1 for kl`s new birds
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4140 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2958 times:
KLM ordered the A310 way back in the eighties, mainly for their cargo capacity.
PW100, KLM ordered the A310 because of the LD3 container and moreover because the B767-300ER wasn't on the market (or to be delivered soon don't know exactly which one). Should the B767-300ER be on the market and/or be deleiverable soon, they wouldn't have ordered the A310 (only available medium range airliner suitable for the European and Western African flights).
BTW too bad for P&W that the deal between United Technologies and KLM never materialised (then the chances of P&W getting the engine order would be greater).