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CO 1713 At DEN 11/15/87, 15 Years Later  
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Tomorrow, Friday, November 15, is the 15th anniversary of one of the more senseless and unfortunate disasters in aviation history, the crash of Continental 1713, a DC-9-14 at Denver-Stapleton.

The flight, operating DEN-BOI, was being operated in a moderate snowstorm, by a captain with minimal command experience in the type aircraft, and a first officer with minimal turbojet experience in any type aircraft.

Numerous things contributed to this accident, not the least of which was the decision to let the first officer perform the takeoff. #2) 27 minutes between de-icing and the takeoff, during which airfoil contamination discussions and a visual inspection of the wings did not occur, #3) ATC mixup in determining locations of 1713 and another CO aircraft. #4) a rapid and over-rotation of the aircraft at the point of takeoff. #5) the pairing of two inexperienced pilots.

Here the links to the NTSB report, and a couple of others worthy of viewing:

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR88-09.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X32505&key=1
http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/1999/12/06/editorial3.html


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User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Betta Ferrendelli's story is very touching. Unfortunately, 'm sure many gate agents have experienced the same feelings un

User currently offlineExnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4668 times:

One of the things I remember from my wife's days at CAL Crew Sked was the "No Dos Equis" rule. Any F/O with less than 100 hours in their a/c type or any captain with less than 100 hours PIC time in their a/c had an X next to their name in the computer. Hence the name, "No Dos Equis".

This accident, among other things, marked the beginning of the end for Frank Lorenzo's empire.


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2037 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4667 times:

Indeed a sad day for the folks in Denver and at Continental. I don't remember this accident (I was only 6 when it happened) but I remember reading a very detailed account of it in an issue of Reader's Digest about six years later.

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4642 times:

The Reader's Digest article is entitled "Miracle in the Blizzard", and is found in the February 1990 issue.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineUA_727 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 215 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4622 times:

Thank you Tom for posting this topic. I enjoyed it and the information provided very much Smile

UA



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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2046 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

Interesting. That was quite tragic and very avoidable. It was under CO's days with Frank Lorenzo, just a few years after the strike which created more negative PR. I think that accident contributed to some lingering bad feeling and treatment by the Denver press of Continental in the late 80's and early 90's. I have lived in Denver this whole time and since the new airport opened and the city has changed so much, few people probably remember this. My father is a retired CO captain. He witnessed the accident from afar. He was waiting to take off and saw it. He didn't have a clear view however because of the snowstorm and the distance from him. That was CO's last fatal accident I am fairly sure. Pretty good really, I think all the other majors have had a fatal accident or two since then.

User currently offlineExnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Klwright69 brings up an excellent reminder of 1713's legacy. This accident shook the Ops side of CAL to the core. Not only did "No Dos Equis" come out of this, but also takeoff visibility restrictions on low time pilots (including captains with thousands of hours of F/O time) in a particular type. With the exception of WN, CAL has gone the longest among the top ten without a major fatal accident.

User currently offlineType-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

Whenever I read accident reports like this, I really wonder....

In this case we had a DC-9-14 running down the runway and the F/O over-rotates, stall warning goes off, and the experienced Captain just sat there and watches his plane crash, without saying a word. Didn't the F/O or Captain recognize that the damn thing was stalling out from under them? Why didn't the Captain grab the yoke and apply forward pressure? I know both crew members had minimum DC-9 time, but a stall is a stall and I'll bet that a/c was shaking like a palm tree in a hurricane.
These are questions that we'll never know the answers to, but I read these type of reports and wonder. I also noticed that the F/O had been to a CRM course but nobody discussed emergency procedures on T/O before they began their take off roll. Nobody even said "get the nose down".
Even though I do not like CO, I do have a few friends who fly for them. All of them say that the workout they got from CO at their interviews was demanding and tough. That F/O would never have made it throughout their current flight crew selection process today.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4322 times:
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Isn't America West in the top 10? They've not had a fatal accident, have they?

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