Zrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2953 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1642 times:
Do you have a link to press release on this? I hope it doesn't happen for a while, as I have forked over UA miles for two LH F tickets for next summer. LH has perhaps the best F product in the industry, and I would hate to see it vanish before my travels.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
well, LH will introduce a new cabin design i believe late next year and they have been repeatedly thinking about getting rid of First Class on some selected longhaul routes, but afaik, there has not been an official statement that they will get rid of the First Class on all transatlantics. i once heard about MIA and YVR, though...
i highly doubt that´s gonna be the case. not that i would be surprised, but i don´t think that´s a step LH is going to take. and if they have already decided to do so, there should be tons of press releases or might have overlooked something.
besides, there hasn´t been any official word to the employees, yet.
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
Tadex From Vatican City, joined Sep 2002, 91 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
Zrs70: Where did you get this info from? "LH has perhaps the best F product in the industry, and I would hate to see it vanish before my travels."
The LH F Class is below average! Nowadays it is rather a disappointment if you compare it with some other airlines.
Zrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2953 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1525 times:
I get the info from experience. LH's F product, from its seat to its dining to its service is above and beyond the majority of that which other carriers offer. And I think that as a package, LH often goes beyond the likes of SQ and CX.
You say it is below average. To what are you comparing?
I compare to the following from intercontinental F (or C) flights over the past two years:
The only product that I think rivals LH F is BD in C.
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 33 Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1332 times:
LH: I seem to remember that they said it on an analyst meeting, but I'm not sure if they talk about all transatlantic flights or just some routes. But I think it's rather plausible actually.
Tadex: You did not answer the question of zrs70. What exactly are your expectations of a First Class Seat? Space, catering, entertainment? Well then I'd be really interested why you call LH inferior.
Have you actually flown LH First, like zrs70 and, incidentally, myself?
What was it you didn't like?
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16308 posts, RR: 87 Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1280 times:
Yeah in fact the A330 is the first time US has ever had a longhaul first class, and, honestly, the seats are awesome.
I flew on an A330 from PHL-CDG in Envoy (which is a GREAT business cabin I might add) and got to sit in one of the F class seats about 10 minutes pre-flight. Pretty nice...
The only time I've flown in 3-class F on UA was an old 762 from IAD-SFO. It was fine, layed flat and all, but the controls were difficult and it wasn't that great. The flight was also at 0900 and it was snowing, so I left the house way too early... subsequently, I slept the whole way anyway so it couldn't have been too bad.
Aaer 777 From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 199 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1242 times:
AA is to reconfigure all its 767-300 to two class configuration, 30 J and 180 Y.
It looks like only the UK will retain F class on the 777-200. They are talking about streamlining the configuration of the 777 fleet, losing the transatlantic/pacific differences in the process.
I just hope that the flagship suite is kept as it really is an incredible travel experience, especially as a couple. The face to face first class diner is so romantic!
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 33 Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1211 times:
longhaul I sometimes have the pleasure to be on First. I don't see what LH does not have, seating is very good, better than anything I know, meal options are good and flexible, though certainly not better than others, dito entertainment and privacy.
All discussions about who's best are totally useless, because people tend to prefer the carrier they use most or their favorite because of the nice livery of because daddy says so....
But I do not see exactly why LH should be inferior..it is not and I know SQ and CX First, that are usually topranking in all those surveys...and yes, I do think, somebody here on this thread is talking about something he does not know..
Well, best regards and I try to find out where I got the info about LH abolishing First on Transatlantic.
Bigmo747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1162 times:
Pakistan International Airlines used to operate in a 3 class configuration--but now they only operate in a 2 class set up. Maybe this is one of the many reasons that helped them cut costs and help in their recent purchase of 8 brand new 777's.
Haveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1123 times:
Actually, rumor has it that US will be removing the F cabin from the A330s. In fact, it is not psosible to buy a ticket into the spring on an A330 in F. After 9/11, the main difference between First and Envoy was the seat, which did not really justify such a huge difference in price for most passengers.