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Air Holland Will Be Bankrupt By Next Week  
User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

Inside information has told me that Air Holland will be bankrupt by the end of next week.

There is no money anymore.
No new customers could be found.

More will follow soon.


50 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

not again....I thought they already had left the building......


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User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

No, I have been speaking to one of the finacial members and he told me this story. It also has to do with Delsey Airlines. They still have to pay Delsey.



User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

It would be right that Air Holland go bankrupted in favour of Delsey Airlines.

User currently offlineBabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Remember when they went bankrupt in early 90s with the 3 757 aircraft and single 733.

Guess maybe 3rd time lucky


User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Why would it be right to go bankrupt in favour of Delsey airlines. Air Holland has no money to pay Delsey so the only thing you achieve is that even more people (200) will loose their jobs. Is that what you journalists are after?

User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

@going64

No, that is not what we want.
But if Air Holland pays Delsey, they can restart.

Cees van Doremael played a nice trick and Tony Gram walked straighed into it.

Yes, Tony is not very smart that he ( thoughed) have bought Air Holland.
But atleast 250 people can start working again with VG Airlines.

But a least Delsey made serveral Flights for Air Holland and got paid nothing, not even the shares as promised.






User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

@skippy777
Do you really think that Delsey can make a restart with only the amount that Air Holland owns them? If this would be the case I cannot imagine that there is no other investor willing to invest this amount of money.
The money from Air Holland would only extend the life of Delsey with maybe another 2 weeks so what's the gain?
Regarding the flights they made for Air Holland: in another thread I already referred to the fact that in that period Delsey had no scheduled fligths. The planes were just on the ground. As the lease already started they had to pay the lease terms anyway, flying or not. So (major) part of the debt of Air Holland would have been in their own hands if they would not have been flying for Air Holland!
I agree with the fact that Mr D. is not trustworthy.


User currently offlineAir Holland From Netherlands, joined Apr 2000, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4358 times:

Hello all,

Just got an e-mail from Air Holland staff.
The story that Air Holland will be bankrupt by next week is not true.
So mister Andy Smulder of travelquality awards has given us the wrong information.
Air Holland says ''we are flying the stars from heaven" and the story are indiantails.

Best regard, Michel (Air Holland fan)


User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4323 times:

Looking in the past on a.net I've noticed that travelquality members have 'informed' us several times before about bankruptcy. Please stick to facts and handle rumours in perspective and not as done facts!

User currently offline1stspotter From Netherlands, joined Jun 1999, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

The fact is that nobody knows the current status of Air Holland for sure so we better close this topic.


User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

@ Air Holland

We will see who's Wright, but I will be for sure.
I also liked Air Holland, but they are not very open to the staff.

It's not really nice, I hoped that they would survive.
And yes my name is Andy, like it's in my profile here as well.

Even KLM is trying to help Air Holland but this still won't work.

No rumours but confirmed to me be Financial people from inside Air Holland.


User currently offline1stspotter From Netherlands, joined Jun 1999, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Hi

Any news on this??
The two B757's of Air Holland are sitting idle on the ramp at Schiphol for a couple of days now. It is an indication of the bankruptcy?

best wishes
Marcel


User currently offlineAir Holland From Netherlands, joined Apr 2000, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Hello Andy,

Once again you posted wrong information about the situation of Air Holland.
Air Holland will not be bankrupt also they are still flying for Air Gabon with there Boeing 767-300.

On december 14 Air Holland will start flights for Hotelplan Swiss to Banjul and starting from today they wil fly for Goodjet.

Air Holland has also found a dutch investor so they keep flying

So Andy please stop posting false information you disturb there proses to finding investors

Best regards,

Michel van Haarlem and Martijn van Geldere
Air Holland Fanclub and Air Holland VA


User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

I could not agree more.

Peter


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Friday morning and early afternoon, both AH 757s were parked at the far end of Schiphol near the KLM maintenance facility.
There was an airstair parked at one of the aircraft so I guess some activity was going on.
Today (sunday afternoon) one of the aircraft (the one they were working on friday) had gone.
I don't know where, or why.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

One of Air Hollands B757 flies for Goodjet for the moment. It is used during the weekend to restart the traffic again after that Transair Sweden stoped flying for Goodjet last thursday. Air Holland and Transavia is right now in Stockholm

User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3982 times:


@Skippy777

I guess you are unable to give us your sources on this one too, like in the Delsey-restart topic ?

Regards, SN-A330




I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

@ SN-A330 My source came from people who handle the bankruptcy of Delsey Airlines. As I told you with the Thread about Delsey, that investor pulled out because they had to take over all the debts. Well nobody wants to have an airline with all those debts. The investor wasn't a swiss Investor but it came through a Swiss office. The investor was L-Air Holding who wanted to start flying from BRU to the states. I have spoken to Mr Solomon and they are going to obtain a license by thereself and only take over some staff ( maybe )

The story with Air Holland is that the same people from Delsey wanted the money Air Holland still had to pay to Delsey. There was no money so they wanted to fill for bankruptcy for Air Holland. After my post suddenly Air Holland has found money ( no Investor but Money )

They have paid a large amount of the outstanding debts to the Delsey and that was FOR NOW the saving of Air Holland. But there is no solid bases if you get your customers just before you need them. You have to look in the future and I sure hope they will survive but I hold my Breath.

They don't have a plan longer than a couple weeks.
Yes they have a new deal:

On December 14 Air Holland will start flights for Hotelplan Swiss to Banjul.
Cool but what after that !!!!!!!!!

And they say they still fly for Air Gabon, but I have heard Air Gabon started his own operations and the 767 was leased for 8 years. ( quit long I think )

We will see what happens.


User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

@Skipppy777 I think you can in most cases explain your comments; what I would like to see in future is that you will post threads when you're sure about facts and not 'if-then-else-but-they say' type of news. If you look back to all your contributions on a.net you have to admit that you have been quite negative about Air Holland. And yes a lot happened that should not have happened but I guess you can say that for maybe 75% of all airline companies.
Of course we will see what will happen in the near future but it does not help to spread negative rumours unless you like to see the 'blue-family' as the solely airline combination in Holland.
Regards,
Peter


User currently offlineEAC_732 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

I can't understand why Air Holland changed their colour scheme as they were entering financial difficultly Confused.


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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

So Andy please stop posting false information you disturb there proses to finding investors

100% correct, moreover spreading rumours that airline X will go bankrupt is absolutely "not done" (why do you think everybody replaces the word "will" with "may"?)

BTW according to the slot allocation list the slots for summer 2003 are applied by "Air Holland Leasing III" (thus not "Air Holland" which is currently listed as holder of the slots at AMS). However when I look in the KvK and clicked on "Air Holland Leasing III BV" I'm redirected to a company named "Dutch Colors". My question: is Air Holland planning a name change or is Dutch Colors the company behind the trading name "Air Holland" (like Dutch Bird)?

BTW Peter, don't forget Dutch Bird


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

I have it very difficult with the fact that Skippy mentions in his CV that he is a journalist... He is certainly not!

User currently offlineSpitfire From France, joined Feb 2001, 801 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

I do have the same feeling Pressclub... Confused
Spitfire



Sabena ... Never to be forgotten (12 years already , what a shame !! )
User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

@LJ Of course Dutchbird is very welcome to me, but I didn't name them because they're not part of the 'blue-family'. Personally I really like to see companies like HLN and DBR taking a part because small entities are more keen on quality and price-wise interesting. Unfortunately I did not have the chance to fly with DBR (yet).

@EAC_732 The change to a new colour scheme was taken way before the latest financial challenge started and in respect to amounts involved not really a killer bee. Ironic is the fact that the former Brittania 752 (PH-AHT) was the first painted in the new colour scheme but turned out to be a/the problem maker due to the several technical problems it had and therefore forced HLN to lease various planes from other companies to fulfill the charter obilgations.
Furthermore the former colour scheme is already there from the beginning and a fresh look never hurts especially if you look to the fact that their planes are often wet-leased.

@Pressclub I expressed the same opinion before. I guess that I can be called a journalist too because I sometimes (once a year) write a column for our neighbourhood 3-monthly paper  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Peter


25 Skippy777 : @ pressclub, I am very open and mention my name and email in my user profile. If you don't believe that I am a journalist, bad luck for you and everyb
26 Skippy777 : Anyway LJ, my information was not inaugurated at all. With out the money found after this article was published they would have been bankrupt. They do
27 Post contains images A320-Addict : He Skippy..., If only 1 person in Belgium could be called a(n) (aviation-)journalist in Belgium it would certainly be Pressclub, don't even hesitate o
28 Sabena 690 : If only 1 person in Belgium could be called a(n) (aviation-)journalist in Belgium it would certainly be Pressclub, don't even hesitate on that one....
29 SN-A330 : @ Skippy777: you can suppose whatever you want, I don't mind about that, as long as you are very clear about the fact that you don't want to 'sell' i
30 Skippy777 : I can mention the source, no problem with that. I have permission for that........ Desley doesn't like Air Holland a lot if you know what I mean. It's
31 Skippy777 : @SN-A330. This was told by me directly by people involved with the bankruptcy of Delsey. The same people are legally involved with the ending of Delse
32 Post contains images A320-Addict : SN-A330, I could not agree more with you!!! AA
33 A320-Addict : Skippy777, Count the number of 'IF'-s in your last post.... that says enough for ME! I certainly don't want to attack you personally but your 'IF'-s a
34 Pressclub : How do you explain, Skippy, that you are a journalist and that at the same time you also have commercial activities for airlines... ???? If I would do
35 Keesje : Press club, no I don't exactly we had some discussions in the past. You were a bit over-optimistic on VG, SNBA, african routes etc .. in my opinion an
36 Skippy777 : @pressclub I am a photographer as well so I am allowed to sell my pictures to an airline company. About my work for VG Airlines, I have never publishe
37 DutchDeltaDude : "Inside information has told me that Air Holland will be bankrupt by the end of next week" Skippy, if you were a journalist you would have know the me
38 Flying Belgian : Sorry to say this SKIPPY777 but you are not a credible guy. I've closely followed the VG/Delsey case and all you said or even predicted was only b****
39 Sabena 690 : BTW, I know who Pressclub is. I can tell you he is a very respected journalist in the Belgian Aviation. Indeed, I know pressclub, like FB, personally,
40 Pressclub : Skippy, in articles in the dutch press I read that you have a marketing company named 'Alasta'. What has a marketing company to do with journalism? @K
41 Post contains images Treg : Hey guys! Relax and stop this big personal fight! Lets better return to the topic. Something interesting is happening. You all probably know about the
42 Going64 : Let's stop with this topic start a new one about journalism, independency etc etc. as we all know now that Air Holland is still flying and nobody know
43 Post contains links Skippy777 : @going64 I agree with you. People who want to see my work as a journalist please check this: http://www.tourjour.nl/PERSBERICHTEN/2000_PERSBERICHTEN/0
44 LJ : I wouldn't be so sure about Air Holland either. If the investor is the same, they doesn't look to be in very good shape at the moment... I'm not sure
45 Sabena 690 : Andy, aren't you more someone who evaluates airlines? I never saw an article of Pressclub about which business class he found the best... I mean, isn'
46 Post contains links Treg : I'm not sure that the investor behind Goodjet is the same as the investor behind Air Holland. A quick search doesn't reveal any direct link between th
47 Skippy777 : Hi fredric, We test flights with different people. A new setup is being created right now. We will setup a travelteam, that can judge the flights with
48 Sabena 690 : Thanks for your explanations Andy. /Frederic
49 Air Holland : Dear Andy, I think you must stop putting anny post about Air Holland on this forum and the travel quality aword form beacourse the information you pos
50 Sabena 690 : a B757-200 is now flying for Air Gabon. They are operating a B762 to Brussels on the BRU-Libreville flight... (maybe the one that was grounded a long
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