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Potential Pan Am III Problems  
User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

This article was posted in a local paper this afternoon, and references talk of a Pan Am pullout of PSM.. Talk that was disputed, but wouldn't really surprise me if it were true.

http://www4.fosters.com/news2002/nov_02/nov26_02/news/bu1126g.asp

For what it's worth the 727 activity out of Pease is down to only two or three flights daily, though there are about 7-10 aircraft (both Pan Am and United) sitting at the hanger.

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User currently offlineDC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

From what I keep hearing, Pan Am is doing really shitty.

They've only got like 1-2 flights per day coming in and out of SFB, they owe the airport a ton of money and I'm also hearing that they're pulling out of SFB in a few months.

Southeast basically stole Pan Am's SFB-ABE market. They're filling up an MD-80 and are doing quite well.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4106 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1632 times:

When PA bought all those United 727s I wondered, 'What for?'

I'm still wondering.

A carrier like this that can't seem to commit to any cities--coming and going with nary a word--will die a slow or quick death...but death is inevitable.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1580 times:

I spoke with some friends that work there and according to them, PA3 is trying to bust the ALPA and AFA contracts by closing down the airline for 30 days and bringing them back up as Boston-Maine Airways, d/b/a/ Pan Am. Don't know how accurate that information is but having worked for Guilford Transportation (the PA parent company) before, I wouldn't put it past David Fink to do something that low down and rotten.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

Very interesting info, MxCtrlr. The J31 activity has actually increased up here at Pease, to appx 15 departures/arrivals per day. With a potential renaming, would they maintain the 727 fleet, or switch to the regional props only?

For what it's worth, in listening to the 727 pilots on the radio, I haven't heard more than three or four different voices in the past month or two. Their employment numbers definately seem to be down.


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Theiler,

I really don't give PA3 much of a chance of long-term survival and that is truly too bad. The PA name and the "blue ball" are world-wide recognized corporate identities. What they have done to both is atrocious! Having worked for all three incarnations of that venerable name, it is particularly disheartening to see the decline. When I was a Flight Mechanic with PA3, we would be in the terminal, awaiting the arrival of an aircraft and, when it arrived, people would stop and reminisce about when they had flown on the original PA. It was great to be a part of that!

What David Fink has in mind, I really don't know but you can rest assured that maintaining the heritage of a great aviation name is not priority among them.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineCOncordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Out of curiousity... if this incarnation is PA3, then which PA was the considered the PanAm of the "Trippe era"? Also, which generation of PanAm was in service when PA103 went down? I always thought these were one and the same. Is there yet another incarnation that I'm not aware of?

User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

COncordeBoy,

The three incarnations of Pan Am were as follows:

PA1 - The original "Juan Trippe" airline 1929 - 1991. This was the incarnation that was around when PA103 was blown up.

PA2 - The second version started by Marty Shugrue of Eastern Airlines. They bought out Carnival Air Lines and promptly went out of business 6 months later. That led to...

PA3 - The current version bought out of the PA/KW merger bankruptcy and moved to PSM by Guilford Transportation (a railroad operator).

Hope this answers your question...

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

MxCtrlr

Much thanks  Big grin


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

although Pan Am part 3 wasn't lucky enough to get the "PA" code :P

User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Well, they didn't shell out the bucks for it.Unlike Marty who paid $250,000 for the right to use the callsign "Clipper" on the radio.


Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Actually, when I flew with them back in 1998/99, they had just gotten approval to use the "Clipper" callsign.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

They use the "Clipper" callsign now.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1265 times:

Pan Am mk. III is doomed to failure. If not in the next year, within the next five, because those 727s will become too expensive for them to maintain when their route structure is not really set up to make money. I at times wonder if they just threw darts at a map of the U.S. and decided to fly there. Gary and Mid-America Airport are two great examples of PA3s genius. Perhaps they should just become a charter airline, and leave the scheduled stuff to the professionals.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

Boston-Maine Airways? I can't remember the last time an airline started using city/state names. ::Cough Cough:: Provincetown-Boston Airways ::Cough Cough::

User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

Me neither ::Cough Cough:: Miami Air ::Cough Cough:: Air Wisconsin ::Cough Cough::

Funny thing is BR, they are both related to AirTran, so you should've known them both.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1133 times:

Word is that Guilford has purchased 15 Jetstream J31 from Finova Capital one month ago to be employed at Boston-Maine Airways.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



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User currently offlineOgseminole From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

Pan Am II was a reverse buy out of Carnival. It was in effect a name change for Carnival.
Fink lives up to his surname.
Good luck to all employed at PAIII.


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