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Airlines Retiring The 747-400?  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

Does any airline plan to start retiring there older 747-400's? If so or when they do start retiring them what aircraft will they replace them with? Do you think British Airways will eventually order the 747-400ER and Singapore Airlines order the 777-300ER to replace some it's 747-400 aircraft. I think the largest airlines for the 747-400 are British Airways, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific Airways, Japan AirLines (JAL) and United Airlines.

Do you think it's time for the very first customers of the 747-400 to retire them and go for the new A340's and 777 long range aircraft?

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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 5834 times:

SIA already starts (as usual) to put 744s on sale. 9V-SMD will be leased to Air Nigeria obviously.
In general I think its pretty early (and the wrong point in time) to replace the 744, the oldest are 13 years old. LH and JAL certainly won´t, BA might be forced economically, UA certainly. SIA, and less so CX are known of having a young fleet, so they´ll start first.
On the other hand Emirates for example already announced that they´ll start replacing 777s (with newer 777s)

Btw you forgot Lufthansa, they almost have twice as many 744s as CX does.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4753 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Malaysia Airlines has reduced her fleet of 744s. PAL lost them to the creditors in 1998 (but now they have 2, I think), and Garuda reduced their 744 fleet as well.

Asiana did get rid of a few too and they are now flying with QANTAS.



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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5049 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

Retire??????!!!!!!!!!

The oldest 747-400 is only 12 years old!!!!!!!!!!

come on....they gotta get more out of a plane than that. Some airlines may be selling them as their needs change but i doubt anybody would retire one to the desert to be chopped up.

THe 757 is even older and most are still flying.


bruce



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User currently offlineCrosscheck From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

Qantas actually only have 1 747-400 from Asiana, and have 2 from Malaysian. They are VH-OEB (Asiana) & VH-OEC & OED (Malaysian)

Thanks


User currently offlineA380jet From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5566 times:

Ryanair!!!

PAL currently has 4 744s. They had a order for 8 plus 1 combi but they were never delivered because of the 1998 crisis and potential bankruptcy fro PAL

A380jet


User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

Hello,


The 747-400 second-hand market is currently suffering from the competition of the A340 and 777 derivatives, in addition the lack of immediate requirement for an airplane of the size of the 747-400. This has prevented some airlines from retiring some of their -400s in the way they would have liked (eg. United Airlines or British Airways).

But, yes, some airlines are/have been clearly looking for a 747-400 replacement.


Best regards,
Alain Mengus
Air Transport Business [ATB]


User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5440 times:


Retire??????!!!!!!!!!

The oldest 747-400 is only 12 years old!!!!!!!!!!

come on....they gotta get more out of a plane than that. Some airlines may be selling them as their needs change but i doubt anybody would retire one to the desert to be chopped up.


I suspect United777 is wondering about when airlines will start selling off their oldest 747-400's and replace them with new ones of the same type (or some other type maybe). I seriously doubt that we will see a 747-400 chopped up in the next 10 years, unless it is a damaged one. Most Jumbos are used for 25 years at least.



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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Yea I really meant not retiring there 747-400 fleet but more like selling them to other airlines like Asiana did to Qantas Airways.

What aircraft will United Airlines replace there 747-400's with?


User currently offlineDouglas DC-9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

I think it was a BIG mistake for UAL to buy 747-400's!!! They have enough problems to deal with with out having to worry about the 747.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5310 times:

The oldest B747-400 is actually 14 years old and approaches 15. The one is D-ABVB Bonn operated by Lufthansa, it was built in 1988.


Regards
Udo


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