United777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1648 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4047 times:
Does any airline plan to start retiring there older 747-400's? If so or when they do start retiring them what aircraft will they replace them with? Do you think British Airways will eventually order the 747-400ER and Singapore Airlines order the 777-300ER to replace some it's 747-400 aircraft. I think the largest airlines for the 747-400 are British Airways, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific Airways, Japan AirLines (JAL) and United Airlines.
Do you think it's time for the very first customers of the 747-400 to retire them and go for the new A340's and 777 long range aircraft?
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9597 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4025 times:
SIA already starts (as usual) to put 744s on sale. 9V-SMD will be leased to Air Nigeria obviously.
In general I think its pretty early (and the wrong point in time) to replace the 744, the oldest are 13 years old. LH and JAL certainly won´t, BA might be forced economically, UA certainly. SIA, and less so CX are known of having a young fleet, so they´ll start first.
On the other hand Emirates for example already announced that they´ll start replacing 777s (with newer 777s)
Btw you forgot Lufthansa, they almost have twice as many 744s as CX does.
Ryanair!!! From Singapore, joined Mar 2002, 4652 posts, RR: 27 Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4020 times:
Malaysia Airlines has reduced her fleet of 744s. PAL lost them to the creditors in 1998 (but now they have 2, I think), and Garuda reduced their 744 fleet as well.
Asiana did get rid of a few too and they are now flying with QANTAS.
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Bruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5025 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4008 times:
Retire??????!!!!!!!!!
The oldest 747-400 is only 12 years old!!!!!!!!!!
come on....they gotta get more out of a plane than that. Some airlines may be selling them as their needs change but i doubt anybody would retire one to the desert to be chopped up.
THe 757 is even older and most are still flying.
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A380jet From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
Ryanair!!!
PAL currently has 4 744s. They had a order for 8 plus 1 combi but they were never delivered because of the 1998 crisis and potential bankruptcy fro PAL
AFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 28 Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3739 times:
Hello,
The 747-400 second-hand market is currently suffering from the competition of the A340 and 777 derivatives, in addition the lack of immediate requirement for an airplane of the size of the 747-400. This has prevented some airlines from retiring some of their -400s in the way they would have liked (eg. United Airlines or British Airways).
But, yes, some airlines are/have been clearly looking for a 747-400 replacement.
Asgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 513 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3631 times:
Retire??????!!!!!!!!!
The oldest 747-400 is only 12 years old!!!!!!!!!!
come on....they gotta get more out of a plane than that. Some airlines may be selling them as their needs change but i doubt anybody would retire one to the desert to be chopped up.
I suspect United777 is wondering about when airlines will start selling off their oldest 747-400's and replace them with new ones of the same type (or some other type maybe). I seriously doubt that we will see a 747-400 chopped up in the next 10 years, unless it is a damaged one. Most Jumbos are used for 25 years at least.
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United777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3624 times:
Yea I really meant not retiring there 747-400 fleet but more like selling them to other airlines like Asiana did to Qantas Airways.
What aircraft will United Airlines replace there 747-400's with?
Douglas DC-9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 303 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3517 times:
I think it was a BIG mistake for UAL to buy 747-400's!!! They have enough problems to deal with with out having to worry about the 747.
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