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SN Back To Tel Aviv...  
User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 46
Posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

As of March 28, 2003, SN Brussels Airlines is planning to relaunch (amongst others) direct flights from Brussels to Tel Aviv on a 4 times weekly basis.

Flights will depart at 19:10 in Brussels and arrive in Tel Aviv at 00:35.
return from Tel Aviv is scheduled at 01:30 with an arrival in Brussels at 05:20.

Interesting news, isn't it?

(news confirmed to me by a relative of mine  Wink/being sarcastic still working with SN....)



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User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Sabenapilot,

It's in the pipeline but not 100 pct. sure yet. There is a discussion going on between the unions and the direction about these flights (direction wants return flights for the crew without nightstops).



User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Thanks for the news Sabenapilot

Regards, SN-A330



I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

What aircraft would they use for that?

JArek


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

they will use the Airbus 319 for this operation

User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Interesting news...Almost seems like a night-shift for pilots. Does Tel-Aviv airport allow scheduled airline services to depart that late?

Ivan



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User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Apuneger - Yes, Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv is open at night. Sabena also had flights that operated the same hours (some with the Sobelair 767 as well)

 Smokin cool


User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

BGN is not open the whole night, it is closed I think from 2 to 5.30 This summer there were plans to extend the closure times from 1.30 to 6, but it was never implemented due to the strong opposition by foreign airlines.


I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

A330DAT,

Sabena slots at TLV were daily for 05:30AM and in the after-noon hours (when the 767 came instead the 737/32X).

And Toda, is correct, the airport is closed for t/o between 02:00 and 05:30, with a plan to extend it to 01:30 to 06:00 in the future.

Michael


User currently offlineLy334 From Israel, joined Apr 2002, 292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

I cant wait them to come to TLV, but that schedule reminds me exactly the same schedule of KLM (AMS-TLV-AMS) which is quiet annoying for the TLV-BRU slot.

I would suggest them to delay the departure from TLV to a little bit later so people should have shorter connection times in Brussels.



ly334



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
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...You are right Pressclub. We've all received a complete e-mail yesterday about that Tel-Aviv flight. Pressure is increasingly rising between SNBA's management and the unions.
With tonight's new attacks I'm not too sure the Flightcrews and unions will ever allow such combinations to take place.
After the start of the second Intifada, Sabena cancelled the night stop for the cabin crews but stayed for the pilots (duty hours problems).

But to my opinion, 12 hours of duty on a BRU-TLV-BRU rotation is very very hard.

FB.



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User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

F.B.

Do know that your colleagues flying for the charter airlines have almost on a weekly base the same long flights when they fly to the Red Sea or when they have a double touch in the Canaria's... It's indeed hard but you are not the only ones doing it...


Pressclub






User currently offlineJames768 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1822 times:

what do the pilots/crew of other airlines like BA do on this route - out and back in one shift?

User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1812 times:

What, the airport is closed!?!
How does Swiss make it, they arrive around 4am and depart 5:20am...this seems a bit strange or did I misunderstand something?
cu


User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

TodaReisinger - El Al 001 - BGN is not open the whole night, it is closed I think from 2 to 5.30


Sorry but I flew on the route myself for several years. I don't know where you get your closure times but certain of our flights departed at 2:30 in the morning arriving in brussels on time for the morning rush. If we would of left earlier we would of arrived in Brussels in the middle of the night and if we would of left later then we would of missed the first morning hub and spoke system.

Perhaps those closing times have been instated in the last 2 years only?


User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1769 times:


This maybe a stupid question, but why a night flight back to Brussels ?

These times don't seem convenient.


airDD


User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Is it profitable to fly an A319 to TLV, while other European carriers opearte wide bodies into TLV?

User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

> These times don't seem convenient.

They probably aren't. On the other hand, those night flights may provide an excellent way to increase the use of the A319 fleet, by not letting them sit idle overnight.


SU has a similar schedule between BRU and SVO.
___Scheduled flights from MOSCOW SHEREMETYEVO (SVO) to Brussels (BRU)
___Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
___SU231 1234567 21:20 22:55 734 2710-2903

___Scheduled flights from Brussels (BRU) to MOSCOW SHEREMETYEVO (SVO)
___Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
___SU232 1234567 23:55 06:05 734 2710-2903



RB does the same thing as well between DAM and BRU.
___Scheduled flights from DAMASCUS (DAM) to Brussels (BRU)
___Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
___RB433 --3---- 00:25 06:10 320 3010-2603

___Scheduled flights from Brussels (BRU) to DAMASCUS (DAM)
___Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
___RB434 --3---- 07:10 14:00 320 3010-2603




User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
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Pressclub,

You're right in your reply, but this is a night flight... TC & SLR both introduced a night-stop to the Red Sea. I've flown myself to TLV and the pax on this line are far from being easy tourists.

FB.



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User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Hi aviationmaster.
aua,air france,elal,alitalia etc...
Are using 737 or A320.
Regards
Patrice


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Thanks for clearing that one up for me, guys!


Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Flying Belgian, people formerly flying for Sabena and now for the charter airlines are very very upset with your remarks. I paste and copy their remarks here as they are not member of this forum.

Pressclub

"First of all SLR has no night-stop in the Red Sea, TCW does have one in HRG, but not for their SSH/LXR
flights, so far your information is not correct.

About the part of the "easy Tourists" this is definitely a misunderstanding, ...

As a well experienced flight attendant I' ve worked with bussines as well as with tourist passengers. Let me say that in general the tourist passengers are more grateful and easier to work with! But unfortunatly on the longer flights with less leg-space, non-smoking pax seated in the smoking zone, 10 infants in cabin, stopovers etc.. our beloved "tourist pax" are not always that nice!!

I' m suprised that this is an issue within SNBA, at the end Sabena didn't have night-stops in Tel Aviv departed much later round 22u00.
Btw: is SNBA going to serve also sandwiches on their TLV flights in Economy??.

kind regards!!
"


User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Thanks for the reply Lumumba. I didnt know that AF and AUA fly their A320s to TLV, but i do know that elal fly their 738 to ZRH sometimes.

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1606 times:
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Sorry guys.

My goal is definitely not to enter into a conflict with ex-SN people as MANY of them try do to numerous time. But those people DO NOT know our CAO and therefore should look at their business. To introduce such night flights on MH sector, modifications will have to be operated and a negociation must be open between unions and the management.
I am really becoming upset when I read ex-SN people's reactions and provocations. First the 319, then the sandwiches, what will come next ??? Do you know how many mails I receive from them on a monthly basis ??
They seem to be driven by pure frustration and jealousy. I do not have to feel guilty to have kept a job nor my colleagues. I don't think like commenting the next posts about SNBA if this turns the same way each time.

Regards,

FB.



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