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What Is A Cruise Pilot?  
User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5353 times:

I was reading this post and it mentioned a cruise pilot: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/966068/.

What is a cruise pilot? How many are used on shorter longhauls (between Europe and North America) and how many are used on longer long hauls (between Europe and SE Asia)?

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User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5347 times:



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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Unless I'm wrong, a cruise pilot takes over the First Officer's function while the aircraft is in cruise. Correct me if so...

I don't think a cruise pilot is used so much on 'short-longhauls' as you stated, but more on the 'long-longhauls' such as LHR-LAX.

Ivan



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

Some modern cruise ships have incorporated large decks that allow small planes to take-off-and-land while the ship is at sea, kinda like an aircraft carrier. The pilots who operate these flights are known as "Cruise Pilots" because they work for the cruise line.

User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

What about Carnival Airlines? They were owned by a cruise line, so does that make their pilots "cruise pilots?"

User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Dear Airplanetire -
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A cruise pilot is an additional pilot crewmember as sometimes used by some airlines, in case the minimum pilot crew, say a pilot and a co-pilot would exceed flight time or duty time limitations is they were only pilots...
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Having a cruise pilot on board permits the other pilots to take their turn, during flight, to have a rest period...
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Example airline xyz national rules is 8 hours limit for flying time for crews of two pilots... for crews of 3 pilots, it becomes a 12 hours limit... the "extra" pilot is sometimes referred to as a "cruise pilot"...
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All airlines policies and countries have different rules... i.e. with PanAm, we had... -
Basic crew, was captain, co pilot, flight engineer...
Augmented crew, was 2 captains, a co pilot, 2 flight engineers...
or...
Double crew, 2 captains, 2 co pilots, 2 flight engineers...
xxx
Hoping you got an answer to your question -  Smile
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineHLF-MD11 From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

Some airlines are using the expression " Senior First Officer " for the function as described by747skipper.
The SFO is allowed to sit in the Captains seat during " cruise " and has the command during the period the captain takes his rest on certain "long-haul" flights - the SFO requires additional training for his duties


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

As Skipper has said, the pilots fly the cruise period due to the long flight times so the other crew can get some rest, as legally the crew that performed the take off must also perform the landing.

We have 3 pilots on LHR-LAX/SFO/JNB/NRT/CPT and 4 on LHR-HKG/PVG, and usually just 2 on the rest.

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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

I think this varies from airline to airline so you have to be careful applying a strict definition on these terms. I am a Senior First Officer but I cannot fly from the left seat, to do so would be illegal. I have to pass the APIC (Acting Pilot In Command) qualification before being allowed to do that, which is at least another year away.

Similarly many people perceive a "Second Officer" is just a cruise pilot, but not so in our airline. I was a Second Officer when I started out, and carried out the precise duties of a First Officer, just on a lower salary!

So this does differ from airline to airline. Our airline do not employ so called "cruise pilots".



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User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

Thanks everyone! So with the cruise pilot, do the other two (captain, first-officer) both go and rest, or do they take turns so that there are still two people in the cockpit?

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