Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16111 posts, RR: 57 Posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
Toronto City council voted tonight 29-11 in favour of a fixed link to the Island Airport.
Despite lobbying from the idle wealthy, the tree huggers & other gliterati, TO council voted in favour of the economic gains that would come from an expanded Island Airport, including downtown jobs & more Dash 8 production in Toronto.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56 Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3459 times:
What's the record of past attempts in this market? I.E. City Express? And why are they no longer around? Does REGCO really stand a chance with this, or will everybody lose with an expanded island airport with similarly low levels of traffic in the future?
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
A380 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 658 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3412 times:
I am for the expansion of YTZ because it's important to attract business into downtown Toronto. I always think it's better for a person to go to downtown Toronto to land at YTZ rather than YYZ (then fighting the traffic on 427 and QEW). Also YTZ is very useful for medavac flights as well. (remember the cluster of downtown hospitals)
A380 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 658 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3340 times:
But people still have not had a consensus on the feasibility of a YYZ-Union rail link, and AFAIK no one had expressed interest on building and running it.
At least we already have the basic infrastructure in place at YTZ.
Lymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1135 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
What's the record of past attempts in this market? I.E. City Express?
If I'm not mistaken, City Express had actual mob ties. I would trust the mob for many things (such as off-ing annoying a.net memebers!!!....hehehe, joke joke) but not to run an airline. Additionally, comparing the airline industry from 1988 to now is completely ridiculous. Another matter is the fact that the Q400 is much different than the early models of Dash-8s and slow, fuel hungry Dash-7s that City Express was using...Qs can fly farther, faster and more efficiently. To top it off, it's Toronto built! Even the idiot mayor will like this deal.
Cch362 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 147 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
The fixed link to Island Airport had been planned for about 70 years. Work actually started on a tunnel in 1935 and was terminated after two weeks due to politics.
It's ironic that the City Council needs another approval now, after having originally approved building a bridge across this 500-foot "gap" back in 1983. Maybe this one will finally end the debate over the fate of the airport once and for all. I certainly hope so.
Based on its history though, I just won't hold my breath for any significant changes at Island Airport. But in an idealistic scenario, I would love to see Q400s and BAe146/ARJs taking off against the backdrop of the Toronto skyline!
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3292 times:
Nuno you are going to make me hurt you...you know full well the track record of Mr. Deluce, and the potential of the TCCA. City Express was trying to operate in competition with a full blown Air Ontario operation during poor economic times....Jazz is not less then half of the operation it once was at the TCCA, and I'm sure that Mr. Deluce has spent a long time researching the project, you don't get $550 Million from private investors just because you ask nicely....
I also wanted to clarify, this isn't really an expansion, they are improving the existing facility and replacing old, and out dated facilities with new ones, they are not expanding runways, or adding terminals, rather they are removing old buildings and putting one new one in. The word Expand was used by Community Air and other such nonsensical groups to try and defeat the airport, we as the aviation community should not be so "liberal" with our words...I cant wait to see the fixed link, this is a project that is 50+ years in the making, and I think it will be the first step in using the facility to its full potential, without going beyond the restrictions set out by the city. The fact that locals are so stupid that they thing flying a CRJ into the TCCA is going to make more noise then a turboprop just goes to show how much research the put into their argument against the airport.
I'm done ranting for now
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16111 posts, RR: 57 Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3211 times:
It seems that the downtowners don't realize, or won't accept the premise, that a Q400 is a lot less annoying than many of those single engine buzz saws that generally use the airport.
Also it's ironic that all these condo types at Harbourfront who are so worried about additional pollution seem to live so happily right next to the Gardiner Expressway and Lakeshore Blvd.
Exactly! I'm one of those rare Harbourfront condo types who's in favour of UNBRIDLED Island airport expansion! A noise study was done a few years ago that showed that the Island Airport only contributed 3% of the ambient noise at Harbourfront.
City Express was trying to operate in competition with a full blown Air Ontario operation during poor economic times
Not quite. City Express was in financial trouble before AO started flying to YTZ. When AO started, CE was down to just the 3 Dash 7's (the 4 Dash 8's had been removed).
this isn't really an expansion, they are improving the existing facility and replacing old
Correct. In City Express' best year, they handled about 600K pax at YTZ (I think it was 87 or 88). Now AO only handles about 120K/year. The REGCO proposal will only bring traffic back to earlier levels.
Dripstick was just joking about the 732 at YTZ! BUT I WOULD LOVE THAT!
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
A380 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 658 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3172 times:
I am for the expansion because it should be good for Toronto's economy and not for our spotting fun. However Dash8 Q400 is just good for YTZ; CRJ is too noisy in my opinion, based on my experience at Boeing lot.
Lymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1135 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
The runways range from 2700 ft to 4000 ft. I don't think you'll see RJs there because 4000ft is very tight for an RJ. I know ASA operates ATL to EYW with the CRJ-700, but the 700s have leading edge slats, which help the short field performance. Neither the 100s or 200s (of AC and AC Jazz) have them. However, Jazz's 146s could fit there quite nicely. I recall Air Atlantic did some tests there in the late 1980s (and my childhood memory recalls a picture of a 146 at YTZ on the cover of some Canadian aviation rag); the 146 is ideal for airports like City Centre.