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Egyptair TU-154? (Info Needed)  
User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Does anybody know the story behind Egyptair's TU-154M's?

How many did they have? How long were they in service? Any pictures? (I can't seem to find any on the net)

Thanks for your responses,
Faheem


I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Briefly, during the early 70's, Egypt aligned itself with the USSR. It was then that Egyptair added the TU-154M. Sadat changed direction soon after & re-aligned his govt with the West.....and the Tupovlev's were gone.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Just to correct the information given above.

Egypt was aligned with the Soviet Union basically since 1956 when America and England withdrew their financial support for the building of the Aswan High Dam and was so aligned with the USSR until Sadat expelled Soviet military personnel in 1972. This explains why Misrair, United Arab Airlines and then, Egyptair have operated aircraft such as the An-24, Il-14, Il-18, Il-62 and Tu-154.

In 1973, Egyptair (renamed from United Arab Airlines in 1971) ordered 8 Tu-154 airframe (please note, the Tu-154M did not fly until 1982). When delivered they were given the registrations:

1. SU-AXB - delivered 1/12/1973
2. SU-AXC - delivered 4/12/1973
3. SU-AXD - delivered 15/12/1973
4. SU-AXE - delivered 20/12/1973
5. SU-AXF - delivered 01/1974
6. SU-AXG - delivered 21/01/1974
7. SU-AXH - delivered 24/02/1974
8. SU-AXI - delivered 03/1974

SU-AXB crashed after take-off on a training flight on 10/7/1974 with the loss of 6 lives on board --> http://aviation-safety.net/database/1974/740710-1.htm

The Tu-154s were frequent visitors to European and Africans airports, until they were disposed of in 1975 (the date I have is 19/3/1975).

I have 2 postcards of the Tu-154 in Egyptair livery which I will dig out from my files and will post later on here.

Cheers

Aviatsiya/Авиация


User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

So they had 8 of them but for only a couple of years.

But I wonder why I can't find any pictures of them? Anyway, thanks for the info.



I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Ba777-236

Aero Classics have just released a 1:400 model of the Tu-154 in Egyptair livery.

Available from http://www.aeroclassics.info/retailers.php

I recommend that you go with the one in Hong Kong called Toymax, because the European and American retailers rip the customer off (overcharging by US$10) for the model and then some charge up to US$12 for postage. Total rip-off merchants.



Cheers

Aviatsiya/Авиация


User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Ya, I know about the model. Actually, I'm holding one in my hand right now! Wow!

This model was actually the reason I wanted info about the real aircraft, as I never knew Egyptair operated this aircraft.



I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Aviatsiya -- thanks for the correction of my vague info & all of your detailed info!




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRayPettit From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Faheem,

I have recently scanned in an Egyptair 154 and it will be in my next batch to upload. Hopefully, you may see it on a.net in a few days time.

They were delivered via London Heathrow so they could have British built seats fitted.

Ray


User currently offlineTrident From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

The UK (not England!) more or less cut itself off from any diplomatic or trade connectrions with Egypt following the unsuccessful nvasion of the Suez Canal Zone in 1956. Although the USA did not support this miltary operation (one of the reasons why it did not succeed), they also found that they had to curtail diplomatic and economic contact with Egypt too. As a result, President Nasser turned to the Soviet Union for both miltary and economic support. It was only after Nasser died in 1970, that relations with the West began to ease, culminating with the Arab/Israeli Camp David peace treaty in 1977

User currently offlineRayPettit From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Whilst British links with Egypt suffered as a result of Suez in 1956,let us not forget that United Arab Airlines took delivery of Viscounts in 1958, later bought Comet 4C's and also was keen to buy a fleet of Super VC10's.

Ray


User currently offlineRa-85154 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Just came across this one Big thumbs up


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Unfortunately had a rather short life Sad

Martijn


User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

and also was keen to buy a fleet of Super VC10's

But thankfully they received the much nicer Il-62 instead


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Nice photo of the Tu-154 also Ray


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Unfortunatly everyone knows the IL-62 (Ugly) is a poor copy of the VC-10 (cool)  Big thumbs up


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineRa-85154 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Unfortunatly everyone knows the IL-62 (Ugly) is a poor copy of the VC-10 (cool)

Here we go again...I don't want to do this , as this thread is about somethign else but after the above remark...

Gkirk: Everyone? Haha I don't!! Sorry, but they are both good(looking) designs I think, although I like the IL-62 more... Big thumbs up

Does (almost) no one here RESPECT the fact that there are people that like Soviet and Russian aviation???? Could we please stop remarks like the above, before we again end up in this endless discussion between the pro- and anti-Soviet/Russian aviation people we already had too often. Sad

regards

Martijn


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

According to a Colin Ballintine book on the -154 that I have,
the Egyptair versions ameliorate the Russian-British dichotomy suggested in some of the messages above....: they were fitted out at Heathrow prior to delivery to Cairo, with Trident seats.  Smile



` Yeaah! Baade 152! Trabi of the Sky! '
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Must admit, the EgyptAir Tu154 looks good though  Big grin
Where did they fly them to?

Ra-85154: Maybe I should have put a  Laugh out loud at the end of my comment as it was designed to be a joke. I, myself, dont mind any Soviet a/c, as I thought the IL-96 which I seen in Tenerife in October was absolutly stunning  Love I also like the Tu154 and IL-62 a/c as well however.  Smile



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineRA-85154 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Gkirk: haaha good to hear, sorry for the overreaction then..maybe I didn't get the point, as a non-english speaking you know Big thumbs up

 Smile
Martijn


User currently offlineFly707 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Thanks alot for this great topic .

I heared a rumor from a friend that Egypt Air want's to buy a number of TU-204 aircrafts that will be fitted with English cockpit version .
How far is this true .

Currently they lease two aircrafts from Egyptian airline called Air Cairo & they are pleased with the a/c performance & economics .

Regards .



Without mistakes we will never learn
User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Ray, do you think I may borrow your picture for my website? It looks very nice!


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I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Erm... sorry guys, but I thought I recognised that picture above by Ray Pettit.

Just found a postcard in my collection here with a picture thats almost exactly the same... unfortunately the card doesnt have a photographer credit - just a publisher: EAH Publications. The blue/white BMA Viscount(?) in the background is about 1 meter further forward on my pic, but everything else is identical... so it looks like the next frame, basically. Oops, the centre door is closed on my postcard too, but its still likely to be the very next frame...

Can anyone shed any light on this? or am I too suspicious of everyone? Sorry if it really is your pic, Ray. A brilliant one too!!! Well done.. A very nice bird indeed!

Ben


User currently offlineRayPettit From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

Ben,

Well, it certainly is my picture and am extremely proud of it!
It is frame no.2 on a roll of Kodachrome, and I've got that box of slides right in front of me. Frames 1 and/or 3 were also of SU-AXB but I took these in quick succession and so almost certainly feature that centre door being open too.
I suspect that your postcard shot was taken within an hour of mine. The British Midland Viscount is static in the cargo area and not moving on the taxi-way. Added to that, any enthusiast/airport worker would have made a special effort for this shot - a beautiful sunny day of an aircraft not likely to revisit LHR. Also, the Tu154 was still quite novel then - this one had c/n 48.
And in case you are wondering, here's frame 4 from that roll.

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Anyway, Ben thanks for keeping a look out

Ray


User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

Sirrocco of Egypt has signed a firm deal with Tupolev for another 5 or so TU-204-120's (the cargo version) with Pratt & Whitney engines and Honywell avionics. Previous production aircraft have had the PS-90-A engines. And yes, the original IL-62 was a poor copy of the VC-10, while the last version produced had many upgrades beyond the original design.

User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Afay1, just to correct the information you gave above.

The Tu-204-100 is the "original" version of the aircraft. The Tu-204-120 is the "westernised" version of the aircraft. The 6 Tu-204-120s which are in the Air Cairo fleet are all powered by RB211-535E4-B and have Honeywell avionics. They are SU-EAF/G/H/I/J/K.

The deal which Sirocco has signed was done with ZAO Aviastar, with AOA Tupolev and Aviaexport being "sideline" signatories. The deal is for an initial 5 Tu-204-120Cs which are destined for China (Air China and China Eastern Airlines). There are options on a further 10 aircraft, and these are expected to be converted into firm orders in the future. The first is due to be delivered by the end of 2003 with financing approval from the EBRD ($50 million) is expected by 17 December.

Also, this deal, valued at $355 million, does not include the RR engines or the Honeywell avionics. They have yet to be signed.

Sirocco is a "subsidiary" of the KATO Group (Egypt) and Air Cairo is affiliated with KATO.




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