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Finnair Narrowbody Decision In 2003  
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Finnair decides in the first half of 2003 about their 100 seater need.
Under consideration are the EMB-170/190, the A318 and also the 717 is still in the run. Interesting to see who wins. The 318 gives comonality, with the Embraers you have a good mix of seat capacitiy and the 717 is perfect for Finnairs needs (Small Airports, hard winters...) as the DC-9 showed to them.. Its hard to decide...what do you think?

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User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

I can't see the A318 win this one since they do not like to use the A32X on domestic flights. I think it was because of their weight but I'm not totally sure about this.
Since they really liked the DC-9 I could assume that they would like to stick to it in the future too and get the 717.

Max


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

EMB-175 and 195... The fleet requirement is for 70- and 100-seaters, not only 100-seaters.

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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1241 times:


717fan,

How is B717 better than EMB-170/190 ot A318 at small airports and hard winters? IIRC Finnair communicated some time ago they were evaluating the Embraers, but they didn't mention A&B.




User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

Well if it's for a 70 to 100 seater than I also take the move to the EMB 170/190.

Max


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

Joni, that is what Finnair said to me this week....
and...I didn't say that the 717 is better...I said its the perfect aircraft for such operations. It depends on what Boeing is doing...I believe if they offer a 717-100 they have very good chances to win this one....but I have to say that I also believe that Embraers has the lead.


User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

Hey

What don't they consider the CRJ? Air Canada Jazz has been operating them succesfully with similar hard winter conditions.



User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1196 times:
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AF-319,

CRJ is a 50 seater,Finnair are looking at 70-100 seaters.

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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

717? No chance!
They'll go Embraer before they introduce an orphan aircraft.

But my money is that Airbus will pull it off...likely with operating cost quarantees to cover the 70-90 seat arena...

Either way Airbus will win since I believe they have a stake in Embraer (?).


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1155 times:


717fan,

How is B717 better than EMB-170/190 ot A318 at small airports and hard winters? IIRC Finnair communicated some time ago they were evaluating the Embraers, but they didn't mention A&B.




User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1049 times:

FlightInternational of this week reports on the same...adding that also extending leases on the MD-80's and leasing some second hand F-100 is an option.....
Interestingly they only speak of the A-318, B-717 and the EMB-170, but not of the larger EMB-190/195....


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