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Sad News: 2 Young Stowaways Dead In Wheel Bay  
User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Two young stowaways found dead at Heathrow

Two young stowaways were found dead in a wheel compartment of a plane at Heathrow Airport, police said today (Thursday), as authorities tried to identify their bodies.

The boys, thought to be as young as 12, stole aboard a Ghana Airways flight from Ghana's capital, Accra, and were dead when the DC-10 plane landed in Britain on Saturday, police said.

Found by engineer

Scotland Yard said in a statement that the boys, who were found in a wheel compartment of the plane by a ground engineer, were aged between 12 and 14 and believed to be of Ghanaian origin.

"They were casually dressed and were well nourished. We are making inquiries to find out the identity of the boys so their families can be informed and we are talking to the Ghanaian authorities to achieve this," the statement added.




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User currently offlineCrewChief32 From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

When these two kids could go unseen into that wheel compartment then every terrorist could do so (and place a bomb, for example), too. Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........

CC32


User currently offlinePRM From Burkina Faso, joined Apr 2002, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........

And yet it is still possible to have £3m armed heists at LHR successfully carried out.....you get my point I hope. Are 'big toilets' normally unsecure places?  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Armed heists on the planes??!!!


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

The heists were not armed, the robbers posed as staff with inside help, they were recently jailed, I'll go find a link.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

On the stowaways;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2545767.stm

and the robbery;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2004496.stm


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Thanks GDB. OK, then I guess I missed PRM's point. Not sure how this shows terrorists have similar access to planes at LHR.


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineTca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

"Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........"

Keep the tarmac clean! TV reports have already shown journalists faking to be ground crew or airport staff and who passed through every security gates to a plane cockpit: this happenned in Paris, London, Zurich, Brussels and even in your "lovely & secure" Germany!

Not to be ironic but your little green dressed cops couldn't be better than Kenyans against extremists armed with heat-seeker missiles...Think about it!



User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

has any stowaway climbed into the wheel bay and lived during the flight?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Is there a way from the wheel bay to the rest of the plane? For in-flight maintenance, for example?

I'm assuming the wheel bay isn't pressurized, is it? If it weren't, that in-flight maintenance wouldn't be possible obviously.

N


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

I think two got into a similar situation after stowing away on a flight to LHR from Delhi, one died and fell when the gear was lowered, the other amazingly survived.

User currently offlineIl75 From Argentina, joined May 2001, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Poor kids...
They probably thought it would be the adventure of their lives. But it was the end. Just 12 and 14! Very sad.


erico


User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2731 times:


Perhaps we should all start asking why "Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........"  Angry (Doesn't colonialism and exploitation by any chance cross your mind?) ..and see what WE (YOU & ME) can do for a change.


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Apollo13:

Yes, there have been documented cases of stowaways surviving a trip in the wheel compartment in several cases. I remember one was a case of a man who flew from Trinidad and Tobago (via BWIA) in an L-1011 to Miami a few years ago.

DIA



Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

I f you think about the wealth of a country and the education then the worst place has to be the USA.

People are still getting guns and knives onto planes even after the 9/11 mess. What happened to that security ??


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

I seem to recall a stowaway incident maybe 30 years ago -- a young boy snuck into the wheel well of an Iberia B707 (or DC-8) in Havana, and miraculously survived the flight to Madrid. When the plane touched down, he fell out of the wheel well, and bounced along the runway in a frozen lump.

I'll see if I can find a reference to this.

Pete


User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

I'm afraid this is down to ignorance.

Firstly if anyone has seen close up what happens during an undercarriage retraction then you would not want to be anywhere near it no matter how desperate you are.

Then there is the temperature at altitude and the lack of oxygen. I doubt the two boys knew what the conditions would be like and probably thought that it would be no different to jumping on the back of a lorry. In fact I imagine lots of people don't know that the temperature will be in the region of minus 60 at 30 thousand feet and that you get hypoxic above 10 thousand.


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Very Sad, A DC-10 wheel well is really big ....until the gear comes up! I'm sure it was messy in there....May they rest in peace.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Dc10guy, I have stood on an open gear door at Lufthansa Technik and peered inside an A320 gear bay, it's massive. A few people could fit in there! If you sit inbetween where the wheels retract, you would not have been hit by them.

Imagine the heat coming from the breaks when the gear is retracted, isn't it extremely hot? The A320 gear bays are unpressurized so I doubt anyone would survive a typical flight on one of those. I can assume the same for the DC10! Poor boys.

Trevor



People. They make an airline. www.cathaypacific.com
User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

In the words of the great TV journalist Marvin Zindler: "If you're poor, you die."

User currently offlineCanadi>n From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp?) have a movie where he incapacitated his guard, took the elevator down to the lower-deck galley and from there proceeded to make his way out to a wheelwell and jump out of a Western Airlines DC-10, all during the take-off roll and initial climb? That must mean there is a door from the wheelwells to the cargo compartment of the DC-10 (if Hollywood is correct).

User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Canadi>n,

When has Hollywood ever been correct when it comes to aircraft? or anything else that matter.

I am not familiar with the DC 10 but why would you want a door from the wheel well to the freight bay? Much more sensible to have a door on the side of the aircraft to get the freight / cargo out.



User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

It is thought that some of these stowaways had seen these stupid Hoolywood action movies, desperate to get to a first world nation, maybe they got ideas from them.
I read about one case when two Pakistani brothers died, the relatives saying they loved Hollywood action films.


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Imagine the heat coming from the breaks when the gear is retracted, isn't it extremely hot?

I dunno. How hot do they get from taxiing?


User currently offlineVc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Never in aviation say never, because you will always be wrong.
In fact the old Lockheed Constellation airliner did in fact have a door from the fwd cargo hold into the nose wheel gear bay. This was the method of loading freight into the forward hold, but if the aircraft was unpressurized the door could be opened in flight. It came in quite handy for inspecting the gear in flight if there was indications of something wrong with the nose gear.
regards little vc10


25 Trintocan : That's sad to hear. All the same there was a story some 14 years ago of two men from Trinidad who went to Canada in the wheel well of a BWIA TriStar.
26 Post contains images Asgeirs : May the two unlucky boys rest in peace.
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