Britair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16 Posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3370 times:
Two young stowaways found dead at Heathrow
Two young stowaways were found dead in a wheel compartment of a plane at Heathrow Airport, police said today (Thursday), as authorities tried to identify their bodies.
The boys, thought to be as young as 12, stole aboard a Ghana Airways flight from Ghana's capital, Accra, and were dead when the DC-10 plane landed in Britain on Saturday, police said.
Found by engineer
Scotland Yard said in a statement that the boys, who were found in a wheel compartment of the plane by a ground engineer, were aged between 12 and 14 and believed to be of Ghanaian origin.
"They were casually dressed and were well nourished. We are making inquiries to find out the identity of the boys so their families can be informed and we are talking to the Ghanaian authorities to achieve this," the statement added.
CrewChief32 From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3359 times:
When these two kids could go unseen into that wheel compartment then every terrorist could do so (and place a bomb, for example), too. Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........
Tca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2868 times:
"Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........"
Keep the tarmac clean! TV reports have already shown journalists faking to be ground crew or airport staff and who passed through every security gates to a plane cockpit: this happenned in Paris, London, Zurich, Brussels and even in your "lovely & secure" Germany!
Not to be ironic but your little green dressed cops couldn't be better than Kenyans against extremists armed with heat-seeker missiles...Think about it!
BBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2757 times:
Perhaps we should all start asking why "Africa is really the biggest toilet of all places in terms of security........" (Doesn't colonialism and exploitation by any chance cross your mind?) ..and see what WE (YOU & ME) can do for a change.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
Yes, there have been documented cases of stowaways surviving a trip in the wheel compartment in several cases. I remember one was a case of a man who flew from Trinidad and Tobago (via BWIA) in an L-1011 to Miami a few years ago.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
Delta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2700 times:
I seem to recall a stowaway incident maybe 30 years ago -- a young boy snuck into the wheel well of an Iberia B707 (or DC-8) in Havana, and miraculously survived the flight to Madrid. When the plane touched down, he fell out of the wheel well, and bounced along the runway in a frozen lump.
Saintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
I'm afraid this is down to ignorance.
Firstly if anyone has seen close up what happens during an undercarriage retraction then you would not want to be anywhere near it no matter how desperate you are.
Then there is the temperature at altitude and the lack of oxygen. I doubt the two boys knew what the conditions would be like and probably thought that it would be no different to jumping on the back of a lorry. In fact I imagine lots of people don't know that the temperature will be in the region of minus 60 at 30 thousand feet and that you get hypoxic above 10 thousand.
Airbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2507 times:
Dc10guy, I have stood on an open gear door at Lufthansa Technik and peered inside an A320 gear bay, it's massive. A few people could fit in there! If you sit inbetween where the wheels retract, you would not have been hit by them.
Imagine the heat coming from the breaks when the gear is retracted, isn't it extremely hot? The A320 gear bays are unpressurized so I doubt anyone would survive a typical flight on one of those. I can assume the same for the DC10! Poor boys.
People. They make an airline. www.cathaypacific.com
Canadi>n From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2465 times:
Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp?) have a movie where he incapacitated his guard, took the elevator down to the lower-deck galley and from there proceeded to make his way out to a wheelwell and jump out of a Western Airlines DC-10, all during the take-off roll and initial climb? That must mean there is a door from the wheelwells to the cargo compartment of the DC-10 (if Hollywood is correct).
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13211 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2430 times:
It is thought that some of these stowaways had seen these stupid Hoolywood action movies, desperate to get to a first world nation, maybe they got ideas from them.
I read about one case when two Pakistani brothers died, the relatives saying they loved Hollywood action films.
Vc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1411 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2333 times:
Never in aviation say never, because you will always be wrong.
In fact the old Lockheed Constellation airliner did in fact have a door from the fwd cargo hold into the nose wheel gear bay. This was the method of loading freight into the forward hold, but if the aircraft was unpressurized the door could be opened in flight. It came in quite handy for inspecting the gear in flight if there was indications of something wrong with the nose gear.
regards little vc10
: That's sad to hear. All the same there was a story some 14 years ago of two men from Trinidad who went to Canada in the wheel well of a BWIA TriStar.
: May the two unlucky boys rest in peace.