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Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead  
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3841 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

Virgin Blue: Boeing Has Inside Running On Fleet Upgrade

""Boeing has got the inside running," Godfrey said, but added Airbus ( F.ABI) is still a candidate.

"We are very very close to it (a decision)," he said. The outcome might be known before Christmas, Godfrey said."

More at: http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/021211/1954000956_2.html

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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

The 737 series is a good fit for all of Virgin Blue routes. I wonder if they will order the 737-900 for there proposed new flights to international cities?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 79
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

With the 737-900s substantially shorter range, I don't know how many of those destinations it can reach.

It'll be sad if they select the 737... there won't be anyone left operating the A320 in Australia until Air NZ gets theirs.

Homogeny sucks.


User currently offlineThadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

With all due respect, this is a no-brainer. The 737 family has all the advantages of the A320 family, and both will fit Vermin Blue's needs admirably.

Where Boeing has the advantage (as far as Vermin Blue is concerned) is that Vermin Blue already operates a large (by S.E. Asia and Pacific standards) fleet of 737NG aircraft, so they already have tech crew and engineering staff qualified in this type, and as a result training for a new type is not an issue.

That Brett Goofy could even make statements that "Airbus has a chance" is ludicrous, when you consider that they held out on moving to T2 at YSSY because of cost issues. Considering this, they WON'T introduce a completely new type with all the costs that that entails.


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

How will Virgin Blue do with Australia's other new airline, Australian Airlines launching new routes to same destinations as Virgin Blue?

I would rather fly a 763 than any 737.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13754 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

EasyJet did the same thing and then went to Airbus.

Me thinks it's a way to get Airbus to offer a cheaper deal and then go for either Boeing and Airbus at a cheaper price than what they're both offering now.

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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Virgin Blue has less money and Airbus needs them less. It is different circumstances.

Never use the Easyjet deal to analyze another deal.

User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1076 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

because there is less presence of european products in australia, the european union will probably decide to dump the price of the airbuses so much that virgin blue cant resist.

User currently offlineRickB From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Maybe Boeing are offering 'the deal that can't be refused' in this case !!

You never know !!!


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months ago) and read 2769 times:

I think Virgin Blue will get the 737NG's.

The reason is simple: they can get the planes fairly quickly, given all the recent airline deferrments for 737NG's.

Besides, I believe the winglet-equipped 737-800 has a range of over 3,000 nautical miles, perfect for Australian transcon flights.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Branson has stated publicly that unless there is significant difference in operating cost, he would not move from the current fleet strategy.

I guess Airbus would have to dig fairly deep.

I doubt Boeing will let this one go, however...

How many airframes are we talking about?

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Let's just hope, Boeing will have this order. Afterall, if airbus keeps booking sucesses like it recently did, airports wouldn't offer such a great variety for planespotters anymore in a few years.

User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

I would hardly call the Easyjet Deal a succes, its like saying that selling a new mercedes S600 for 15000 bucks and including the chofer is a succes. they gave away those planes, they arent going to earn a penney from this order.

User currently offlineThadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

United777 - Australian Airlines is an international carrier serving routes which Qantas found to be unprofitable. They do not compete head to head with Vermin Blue.


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8732 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2523 times:
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There is something to be said for selling at cost price at the moment.

If Boeing and Airbus have to reduce production numbers due to lack of orders they have to either reduce staff or suffer from higher unit cost prices,ie the planes cost more to make.

If you can sell a large bunch(such as EZY order)then you don't have to reduce the current production levels, so the cost of each unit remains the same.

OK,you won't make as much money(if any in some cases),but at least the production lines are kept running at the optimum levels.

In addition,airlines will need spare parts,thats where you can recoup some of the money.



User currently offlineMELflyer From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 9 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2456 times:

Could this just be a ploy from Virgin to try and scare Airbus into dropping their price further? Or will Airbus not want to get down to the sort of prices they would have offered EasyJet because of the size of the order?

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