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Virgin Blue Says Boeing In The Lead  
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Virgin Blue: Boeing Has Inside Running On Fleet Upgrade

""Boeing has got the inside running," Godfrey said, but added Airbus ( F.ABI) is still a candidate.

"We are very very close to it (a decision)," he said. The outcome might be known before Christmas, Godfrey said."

More at: http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/021211/1954000956_2.html


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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

The 737 series is a good fit for all of Virgin Blue routes. I wonder if they will order the 737-900 for there proposed new flights to international cities?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

With the 737-900s substantially shorter range, I don't know how many of those destinations it can reach.

It'll be sad if they select the 737... there won't be anyone left operating the A320 in Australia until Air NZ gets theirs.

Homogeny sucks.

N


User currently offlineThadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

With all due respect, this is a no-brainer. The 737 family has all the advantages of the A320 family, and both will fit Vermin Blue's needs admirably.

Where Boeing has the advantage (as far as Vermin Blue is concerned) is that Vermin Blue already operates a large (by S.E. Asia and Pacific standards) fleet of 737NG aircraft, so they already have tech crew and engineering staff qualified in this type, and as a result training for a new type is not an issue.

That Brett Goofy could even make statements that "Airbus has a chance" is ludicrous, when you consider that they held out on moving to T2 at YSSY because of cost issues. Considering this, they WON'T introduce a completely new type with all the costs that that entails.

Dave


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

How will Virgin Blue do with Australia's other new airline, Australian Airlines launching new routes to same destinations as Virgin Blue?

I would rather fly a 763 than any 737.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

EasyJet did the same thing and then went to Airbus.

Me thinks it's a way to get Airbus to offer a cheaper deal and then go for either Boeing and Airbus at a cheaper price than what they're both offering now.



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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Virgin Blue has less money and Airbus needs them less. It is different circumstances.

Never use the Easyjet deal to analyze another deal.


User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

because there is less presence of european products in australia, the european union will probably decide to dump the price of the airbuses so much that virgin blue cant resist.

User currently offlineRickB From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Maybe Boeing are offering 'the deal that can't be refused' in this case !!

You never know !!!

RickB


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

I think Virgin Blue will get the 737NG's.

The reason is simple: they can get the planes fairly quickly, given all the recent airline deferrments for 737NG's.

Besides, I believe the winglet-equipped 737-800 has a range of over 3,000 nautical miles, perfect for Australian transcon flights.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Branson has stated publicly that unless there is significant difference in operating cost, he would not move from the current fleet strategy.

I guess Airbus would have to dig fairly deep.

I doubt Boeing will let this one go, however...

How many airframes are we talking about?


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Let's just hope, Boeing will have this order. Afterall, if airbus keeps booking sucesses like it recently did, airports wouldn't offer such a great variety for planespotters anymore in a few years.


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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

I would hardly call the Easyjet Deal a succes, its like saying that selling a new mercedes S600 for 15000 bucks and including the chofer is a succes. they gave away those planes, they arent going to earn a penney from this order.

User currently offlineThadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

United777 - Australian Airlines is an international carrier serving routes which Qantas found to be unprofitable. They do not compete head to head with Vermin Blue.

Dave


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8561 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1749 times:
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There is something to be said for selling at cost price at the moment.

If Boeing and Airbus have to reduce production numbers due to lack of orders they have to either reduce staff or suffer from higher unit cost prices,ie the planes cost more to make.

If you can sell a large bunch(such as EZY order)then you don't have to reduce the current production levels, so the cost of each unit remains the same.

OK,you won't make as much money(if any in some cases),but at least the production lines are kept running at the optimum levels.

In addition,airlines will need spare parts,thats where you can recoup some of the money.

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User currently offlineMELflyer From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 9 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1682 times:

Could this just be a ploy from Virgin to try and scare Airbus into dropping their price further? Or will Airbus not want to get down to the sort of prices they would have offered EasyJet because of the size of the order?

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