VH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 865 posts, RR: 0 Posted (16 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2340 times:
A recent article in Flight International, stated that Boeing are very close to launching the B747-400ER to compete with the A3XX, but at much less cosththan developing a whole new airplane, aka A3XX. Also an earlier delivery time is envisaged.
The new B747 will have a B777 glass cockpit & cabin interior.
Launch customers are thought to be Cathay & Qantas. It will probably be a slight stretch on the current fuselage, seating up to 460 pax in a 3 class config & obviously more in a 2 or single class layout.
Cathay are also on the verge of ordering more B777's, A330's & A340's, as their recovery from the Asian flu continues.
Interesting mames. Will Cathay order both the B747-400ER & the A3XX?
Ansett Australia - (was) One of the worlds great airlines!
DeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (16 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
Boeing already has a 747-400ER, but I believe that the name to the new 747X was similar to it. Today Reuters reported that Boeing was delaying the launch of a new aircraft due to the engineers strike. Something about the wing design being top secret and Boeing can't risk the new plane on a strike and the possibility of a leak. The specifications that FI gave are very similar to the ones given before the Asian economic crisis. Looks like Airbus might have it's hands full once again since Boeing is assuring the new 747 will be cheaper to operate and have better performance.
Sndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (16 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2065 times:
It would actually not be a surprise if Boeing launches a B747 variant to compete with the A3XX. And of course this will cost Airbus some orders, mainly for those already using 747's and needing an airplane with just those specifications the new 747 will have. The problem for Boeing is however that the A3xx will be a (all right, more expensive to develop) new airpplane of which a lot of new variants can be build, with more or less range, more or less passanger capacity. The A3XX is just te start of a new family, the new 747 would be the last possible variant of today's 747 and other bigger ones should require major design changes.
Dash8 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2005, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (16 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2021 times:
Yes but remember, the only way the A3XX can go without any competition from the 747 is up. i.e. More volume and more pax. If there is already so little reaction to the present A3XX (without competition in it's pax class) then the bigger they make it, the less interest it will draw. The smaller, the more competition from it's own A340 and the proven 747.
Also the 747X will have a new wing, cabin and cockpit.
Thus making it an all new airplane. The shape of the plane is of little consequence. The wing is the more important part of an airframe. Also, when looking at the A3XX, aerodynamics don't really come to mind.
So all in all, I don't see how this plane-costing 15 billi`n to devellop-will make money for Airbus.
USAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (16 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1998 times:
I think the A3XX will be a flop (so airbus please build it). The 747X will be very popular. The A3XX is TOO big. Why do you think the 777 and A330/A340 are so popular it is a perfect size. The 747 is big, not too big like the A3XX. I hope Boeing will launch the B747X. It will be very awesome. So would the A3XX but it will be too big and expensive.
UAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (16 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1997 times:
Don't forget that Boeing is dictating to engine manufacturers that only new engines that are significantly more efficient and quieter will be allowed on board the aircraft. This will further erode any seat mile cost advantages of the A350.