LPL From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2169 times:
A few years back, I asked my grandad to buy tickets for me to fly from ATL to HNL with Delta, but he could only find me a flight that goes via SFO. Does anyone know when the nonstop service started/finished?
N202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2151 times:
I think the ATL-HNL nonstop was ended in 2000, with the retirement of the L-1011 from Delta's fleet. Apparently, while technically having the range to make ATL-HNL nonstop, the successor 767-400 would not comply with crew rest requirements for the 8-hour flight. (I don't remember exactly what the issue was, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable could elaborate) In any case, I seem to remember that the routing for the 764 flight went ATL-LAX-HNL, then ATL-DFW-HNL.
I did fly the L-1011 from HNL to ATL in July of 2000, and our craft was a -500. I think they had a -250 going to Dallas at the same time, but I'm not completely certain.
Lindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
In a book "Frequent Flyer" author is flying couple of times in the cockpit of Delta's L1011s. Not even once he went to HNL directly. Always with stop at LAX or SFO. Also if I remember, he flown there few times on ships 410 and 418.
762er From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2133 times:
I believe Delta used both the -250 and -500 series on the nonstop ATL-hnl route but I'm not sure about the -250. The 250 may have only been operated on the HNL/OGG west coast flights. Can somebody confirm this?
If my memory serves me correctly the ATL-HNL route was ended in the spring of 2001 with the retirement of their entire tristar fleet. The main issue with the 764 was crew rest. ALPA said the comfort of the first class seats in the 764 weren't good enough to meet their criteria. This was sort of a kick in the teeth for Delta management as they were expecting to continue ATL-HNL with the 764. It was a huge frequent flier miles drainer that Delta's best customers valued very highly. Management took a lot of heat when they announced that it would not be coming back. They said the cost of changing the first class seat in it's entire fleet could not be justified.
Dl1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2086 times:
Sometimes a -100 would be used with a fuel stop on the west coast.
When the 767-400's started the route, a tech stop was made in LAX. A crew change, fuel and an abbreviated maintenance check and they were on the way. The big RUMOR about the crew rest issue was that if Delta gave the pilots the room that they wanted, so many seats would have to be removed that the route could not make a profit. Another RUMOR was that the galley space was so limited that there was insufficient room for enough meals/snacks for such a long flight.
N707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2020 times:
Back in the days when the -250's and -500's were flying internationally, Ship 724 (-200) would fly ATL-HNL and ship 737 (two class -250) would fly DFW-HNL. Three class L-1011's were rarely used for HNL.
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1964 times:
How often have you operated as crew a 9 hour plus redeye flight leaving at
0100 your body time with your only break a 2/1/2 hr spell in a 'first class seat'
Sitting right next to another passenger and their noises, with the F/A'S tramping up and down the aisle, light's going on and off and a seat that doesn't recline sufficiently to get anything close to flat.
I heartily applaud ALPA'S stance on the inadequate crew rest on Delta's -400's
I only wish we had done the same at Continental I've lost count of the time's I've 'awakened' from my pretzel contorting 'crew rest' seat on the -400 feeling
worse than when I first sat down, to go forward and fly a challenging approach and landing when myself and the other pilot's feel at their worst.
The only satisfactory crew rest area is a real bunk truly separated from the rest of the pax and crew, they don't even give us a f*****g curtain. Try doing this month after month, year after year as you get older it doesn't get easier, this is a serious safety problem and not a 'greedy union issue'
How would you like your surgeon to operate on you after 2hrs 'sleep' in a vibrating broom closet?!
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.