UPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 867 posts, RR: 3 Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 796 times:
This is just a rumour but there has been speculation that UPS will announce shortly on a long range, high capacity freighter order.
This could only mean one of two things either UPS being a launch customer for the 777PF just as they were with the 757 and 767 PF or an order for the 747-400F. I think the latter of the two is going to be the winner. Keep your eyes and ears open the next few months
BryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 418 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 630 times:
How much do you think winning the China routes would influence their decision? It might not change the China volume that much, but it'll give them more options as far a hub slots are concerned.
As much as I like the 777, I'm betting that they'll end up with the 747. However, a 777F is still inevitable.
UPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 867 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 602 times:
Bryan,
The China routes are going to be a major impact in the decision. UPS's volume will increase alot out of China because now they rely on other carriers to fly in and out of mainland China for them. UPS flys direct to Hong Kong and Tiawan. From there somebody else carries the load to other cities in China. This costs more money and also you have to rely on whatever capacity may be open on the aircraft. If the plane is full then the freight will have to wait.
I too would like to see a 777 freighter but I think the 747-400F is going to be the aircraft of choice here. It has already been acknowleged in the DOT filing, UPS disclosed plans to fly six weekly frequencies between Ontario, Calif.; Anchorage, Alaska; Beijing, and Shanghai using Boeing 747 freighter aircraft. In addition, UPS said it would fly an additional four weekly frequencies between Newark, Anchorage, Shanghai and Tokyo, also using Boeing 747's.
IF UPS does receive the China routes they would need more 74's to serve China along with the other destinations. The 747-100 and 200's are getting a little old.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 585 times:
I can't wait to see what happens, but I agree with you guys; I think it will be the 747-400F. However, just on a little side note. In 'Boeing 777' by Norris & Wagner, there is a comment that says:
"Boeing is so sure the 777 will eventually be offered as a Combi or an all-freight aircraft in the future that a huge cargo door has already been designed. The door is now available as an option and adds about 992 pounds to the overall weight."
Interesting, huh? Does anybody know if this still is an option? The book was published in 1996.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11951 posts, RR: 37 Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 583 times:
I remember seeing on the surf.to/orders website that UPS was seen as a potential 744F customer, so I'd expect them to go for that.
However, I agree that the 777F is inevitable. It's much the same size as the MD11, which was highly regarded as a freighter (well, it had to be good at something) and now that this is out of the way, the 777 is a natural successor. Given the room for growth in the freight market, particularly in Asia, it's only a matter of time. I'd expect SIA, Malaysia, JAL, Korean Air, Asiana and United to be among the lead customers. Maybe if KLM went for the 777, Martinair might follow and replace its MD11s with 777s as well; it also operates M1Fs. (I'm just watching a Martinair MD11 video at the moment, so that comes to mind).
Hopefully, for many current MD11 operators, the list of interested parties won't include FedEx; I'm sure most current MD11 operators - SR, KL, AZ, are hoping FedEx will find a home for their aircraft!
Jtb106 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 546 times:
Yawn.......here we go again. If it's the A3XX I'll eat an aileron. And if you're hearing voices that say that, you may need help! (Oh, c'mon, I'm kidding. As I hope you were also.)
Jtb106 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 534 times:
Actually, I hope so! That way a non-Pacific coast guy like myself would have a chance to see one (If built, of course). Are ailerons good with white or red wine?
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just as they were with the 757 and 767 PF or an order for the 747-400F. I think the latter of the two is going to be the winner. Keep your eyes and ears open the next few months
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