Shaun3000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 445 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2343 times:
A buddy of mine said that American is flying 777s out of STL, now. I didn't believe him but when I flew back after Thanksgiving I saw what could be 777s. I forgot to look til we were almost back to our gate, so all I could see was the tail and the size compared to other aircraft. Couldn't see engines, main gear, or tail cone.
So, is American now or were they at some time, recently, flying 777s out of STL? If so, where to?
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2302 times:
I doubt AA flies any 777s out of STL now. If they did, they'd go to one of the hubs, and those are almost solely Md-80. In the future, we may see a 777 to LGW (and therefore possibly a 777 to ORD or DFW to repositioning purposes), but it seems AA isn't really concentrating on international services from STL now, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2238 times:
Unless it's something that was just started up within the last couple days, no. It's most likely the 767's brought in from "Americans fleet" as the old TWA repainted 767's are gone now. It's quite possible that the 777 could be brought in to take on some of the routes that the 747's were used on, but I doubt it. People I have talked to at STL, both with AA and the Airport Authority Management (of whom I work for), have stated the 777 is not in the works at this time.
If it was a 777, it was most likely a diversion. That has happened a couple times already.
But I've got my fingers crossed. I miss the ole whales coming in and to see 777's come into STL on a regular basis would be awesome.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2178 times:
TWA used only one 747 out of STL, to operate STL-HNL, up until the fleet type was withdrawn in late 1996. TWA rarely or never used their 747's to Europe from STL. The two transatlantic routes it operated from STL (LGW and CDG) were flown with L1011's and 767-200's/300's.
AA-STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2171 times:
I am by the airport nearly everyday and I didn't see any 772's. All I saw were 2 or 3 763's, about 15 752's and alot of MD-80's, and of course the southwest ants all over the place.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if they started to fly a 772 on the inner-hub route to MIA. It could serve as a latin feeder flight for the STL area. All inner hub flights are done w/ MD-80's right now.
AA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2172 times:
ContinentalEWR--If TWA used the L10's on STL-Europe, it was a very rare equipment sub. or charter. Even the -100's didn't have the legs to make it back across with any kind of payload. I did do ORD-LHR in the L10 once. But we didn't do the return flight. We came back to JFK or BOS.
The longest flight I was on in the L10 was 8h 10m from AMS-JFK. That wouldn't cut it from LGW-STL with any reserves. CDG is out of the question.
The 747-100's on the HNL route were impressive. As newhires, we would go out to the parking lot of the training center(at the departure end of 30L) and watch Flt. 1 take off. I swear they rotated at the numbers a couple of times! TC
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3976 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2071 times:
AA has used the 777 on some BOS-MIA sections on several occasions, so I imagine they would/could do the same on some high-density STL routes. This was before the 777 was scheduled on the Boston-London routes. In fact, the 777 is used on a Saturday-only Boston-Carribbean flight (not sure which city) right now, in addition to the 2x BOS-LHR runs.
TrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1854 times:
I wonder if AA would ever use 777 on the flights to and from STL and the Hawaiian Islands. I guess maybe if they were needed but I presume there not. I flew STL to Maui and back last summer when it was strictly operated by TWA and the flight wasnt completely full but pretty heavy. Excellent flight.
I wonder if AA has any plans to relocate gates if thats possible. I remember pulling into the D concourse in a B757 with our wings literally hanging over the company 80's next to us. Cant really get anything bigger than MD-80's in there. I guess this all depends on how serious AA is with there future operations out of STL.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7296 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1805 times:
AA 777's will NOT serve Hawaii markets from any city, including STL. The 777 fleet is going to be the only aircraft in a 3-class configuration in the AA fleet and its purpose is to fly to premium international destinations. The 763's will soon all be converted into 2-class aircraft to serve lower yield international markets and Hawaii routes. These routes do not warrent a 3-class aircraft with a full-fledged F class with flat sleeper seats. J-Y class serve these markets just fine. Once the conversion is complete all 763's will be interchangable, no more seperate Hawaii 763's. LHR from all destinations will soon go all 777, since it is a premium route. The 777's will go only to certain cities like LHR, NRT, some deep South America routes, and select Europe routes.
Its not simply a change of gauge from a 763 to a 777, its a whole change of product.
Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1796 times:
I believe there are only certain D gates that the B757s use.... I've only ever seen them in two gates... D14 or so sounds right for one of them. I have seen one in a gate further out, but now it's an AA Connection gate.
AA-STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1782 times:
Seiple you are correct, D-14, D-18, and D-24 I believe can handle 752's. I wish 772's would go to Hawaii, but it's never going to happen. The only way I think we will see 772's is if A- there is a MIA latin feeder flight or B-AA and BA hook up and BA takes over the LGW flying and services it with a 772.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32005 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1766 times:
AA has used the 777 on some BOS-MIA sections on several occasions, so I imagine they would/could do the same on some high-density STL routes.
Excepet that there really aren't high-density STL routes. The 777s on MIA-BOS were used when the A300s (which operate half of the MIA-BOS sched and seat more than the 777s) kept going into maintence. I really do not think STL will see a 777 anytime soon with the exception of an outside chance they will go on the Gatwick run. Starting 1 June 2003, STL-LGW will be the only London flight not a 777. Tokyo, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, and London Gatwick/Heathrow will likely go all-777 by the end of 2003, though the one exception may continue to be STL-LGW, which is a lot of Midwest tourist traffic.
Blink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1758 times:
As pretty much stated above, unless the type of traffic warrants it, the 777 will be a rare sight in STL.
How does this affect domestic 777 routes like MIA-LAX and DFW-ORD? I do not think it should because if I am not mistaken, those flights(and others) are repositioning and DFW-ORD continues onto LHR with the same flight number.
Also, does this mean more 767s will be seen flying domestic routes? It is extremely rare to see an AA 767 at a non hub city in the United States except for Hawaii.
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