Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Dornier Update  
User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

The parent company to AvCraft, which has offices in Tyler Texas and Akron OH, are interested in the 328 program and Airbus subcomponents. They had the highest bid as of Friday 8:00pm but those pesky Russians stepped up at 11:59pm and made a counter-proposal. As it stands the Russians have the highest bid for the whole company, no matter what the media is telling you.

TechRep

18 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

Only the Russians have showed interest and capitial to purchase the whole company. AvCraft's Parent Company is only interested in 329/Airbus components. It is very early here and for the life of me I can't remember AvCraft's Parent company. I am sure there is someone in the industry who can do a search.

TechRep


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Actually, I think it's best if the company stays together.
My primary concern is that the receivers will drag their feet until the commercial viability of the 328 and X28.


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

The russians? Who exactly? An existing aviation company or a group of businessmen etc?

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

Basic Elements is the primary company. They are a huge aluminum mining and mineral concern. They also own some aircraft component fabrication plants.

Assembly would still be in Germany.


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5520 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

TechRep, FYI, here is the corporate information on file with the Texas Secretary of State, regarding AvCraft; if this information is revealing of anything new, please tell us all!

+++++++++
TEXAS SECRETARY OF STATE





THIS DATA IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY

CERTIFICATION CAN ONLY BE OBTAINED THROUGH THE ISSUING GOVERNMENT AGENCY

TEXAS SECRETARY OF STATE
Company Name: AVCRAFT AVIATION, INC.

Business Address: 209 AIRPORT DR
TYLER, TX 75704-9201


Type: FOREIGN BUSINESS CORPORATION

Status: IN EXISTENCE

Standing: IN GOOD STANDING, NOT FOR DISSOLUTION OR WITHDRAWAL

Filing Date: 5/30/1996

Duration: PERPETUAL

State or Country of Incorporation: DELAWARE

Registered Agent: GARY M KOHLSCHMIDT

Registered Office: 235 AIRPORT DR #6
TYLER, TX 75704


Other Name Information: AVCRAFT COMPLETIONS, INC.
Type: LEGAL
Status: PRIOR
Creation Date: 5/30/1996
Inactive Date: 12/6/2001



TYLER JET COMPLETIONS INC.
Type: LEGAL
Status: PRIOR
Inactive Date: 5/19/2000



AVCRAFT AVIATION, INC.
Type: LEGAL
Status: IN USE
Creation Date: 12/6/2001


Filing Number: 0010993006

State Taxpayer Number: 17525876292

Officers, Directors: T J BEVERLY
PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR
7104 GLENEAGLES DRIVE
TYLER, TX 75703



GREG A HOPPER
SECRETARY, DIRECTOR
11832 WHITE DEER TRAIL
TYLER, TX 75703



MICHAEL A WINTERS
VICE PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR
RT 4 BOX 4305
BULLARD, TX 75757


History: File Date: 12/6/2001
Transaction: APPLICATION FOR AMENDED CERTIFICATE OF AUTHORITY
Microfilm Number: 004638420002



File Date: 10/1/2001
Transaction: CHANGE OF REGISTERED AGENT/ OFFICE
Microfilm Number: 002310200002



File Date: 5/19/2000
Transaction: APPLICATION FOR AMENDED CERTIFICATE OF AUTHORITY
Microfilm Number: 000003359137



File Date: 12/31/1999
Transaction: PUBLIC INFORMATION REPORT (PIR)
Microfilm Number: 000007505289



File Date: 5/30/1996
Transaction: APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF AUTHORITY
Microfilm Number: 000003359136



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

Are there still 20 complete 328Jets sitting in Germany?
Also, does anyone know at what price Embrear is selling Hainan's 19 328Jets?
Finally, when did Great Plains take delivery of their new 328s?


User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

Great Plains new aircraft will arrive next week and will go into C Check and be put into the system after paint.

TechRep


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

Word is that there will be a decision on Friday. IAPO says taht they want to pay 250 mio US$ of the required 750 Mio US$ with the rest covered by bank and state loans. Currently the are in preliminary negotiations with 10 airline customers and GECAS. They want to have 70 conditional orders within 6 months.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

Is that for the 328 or 728...or both?
Are we still talking Basic Elements here...or another bidder?
I'm confused again.


User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

I understand Lufthansa cancelled their order for the 728, right? But some time ago I read here, that they may reorder the plane if someone takes over production. Any news of this?

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

Lufthansa, after looking at the competition, is still keen on the 728 since it's basically tailor-made to their specifications.

I would think the success of the 728 will hinge on the ability to regain this order.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Greg, IAPO is basically what is called "Basic Elements". We are currently only talking about the 728 here, the 328 will go to AvCraft in this solution. What I´ve heard there are perliminary talks with at least ten airline customers, prime customer is Lufthansa and associated carriers (read it the way you want, I won´t go into detail here). GECAS has indicated renewed interest into the 728.

Basic Elements/IAPO has said that they need around 100 orders and expect to get around 70 commitments in the first six months - well they expect it. I´ve heard different figures, depending on who is signing the first order (assuming that now everything goes as planned).

Regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1093 times:

What design changes are they making?
And what components will remain with the original contractors?


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

I just don´t know it at the moment, I assume that most will stay with the original manufacturers and only some smaller parts will be transferred to russian companies. All will depend on the price IMO. Safe bet to stay with the current manufacturer:

* engine
* avionics
* wings

Anyone interested in guessing who this airline customers could be? My counting makes up 6, but I´m still missing the other 4.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

Hmmmm.....we'll have to disagree on that part. I think at least 30-40%+_ will go to Russian companies---using Basic Elements Aluminum.

What ten companies are you referring to?


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1045 times:

What Airbus planes are using Dornier-Fairchild as sub-contractor?


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1037 times:

Much will depend on how much technology transfer will happen -> no transfer no russian parts. Alessandro, FD produces for most Airbus Types the tailcone. On my list I´ve
* Lufthansa
* Scandinavia
* Austrian
* Air Canada
* CSA
* Air Dolomiti

Others I would assume:
* British Airways
* Qantas
* Air France
* VLM

Regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

These are the companies that FD is still talking to? I wasn't aware there was still a marketing presence after the initial filing. That's great news.

Air Canada? I would have said yes to that one a year ago...but not since Bombardier dumped their bid. I think they'll end up with CRJ's.

I would assume that BA, AF, and QF would like a full size biz cabin...so it may be a good fit.

Be again, this will only work if the new owners--or the liquidator--doesn't drag his feet on the acquisiton or start up. I think the pivotal moment will occur once the first 728 takes flight.


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Dornier Update? posted Fri Jan 10 2003 20:16:56 by Greg
Dornier Update posted Mon Dec 16 2002 13:15:02 by TechRep
Fairchild-Dornier Update posted Tue May 28 2002 19:29:01 by Flying-Tiger
Fairchild-Dornier Update posted Thu Apr 4 2002 17:50:26 by Flying-Tiger
Fairchild Dornier 728 Update Anyone? posted Wed Apr 14 2004 20:22:28 by Greg
Update On Fairchild-Dornier? posted Wed Jun 26 2002 15:10:40 by Greg
Fairchild Dornier 328 Update Coming posted Wed Jun 12 2002 17:36:34 by TechRep
Fairchild Dornier Situation Update posted Fri Jun 7 2002 15:12:40 by TechRep
Update On Fairchild-Dornier? posted Tue Apr 23 2002 17:07:19 by Greg
LCF #2 Update posted Tue Dec 19 2006 14:52:56 by 777MechSys