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Alitalia EZE-ITALY And El Al ITALY-TLV. Need Help  
User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Hi

On december 29th I'll be going to Israel from Buenos Aires, connecting in italy. Don't know which city though.

Because I go with a 500 teens group, we were told that we are going to Italy with Alitalia and then to israel with El Al. I do know that we land at TLV.

My question is:
Can you guys tell me which airplanes I'll be flying in ? 'Cause I have no clue what airplanes both Alitalia and El Al use on this routes.

Thank you very much in advance.

Jgore  Smile

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User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Alitalia uses MDD-11 both to MXP and FCO from EZE. From FCO and MXP to TLV AZ uses A321.



User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2358 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

As you said you will travel on December 29, this should be your flights:

AZ 681
Buenos Aires Ezeiza 14.25
Rome Fiumicino 07.15+1 day
MD-11

LY386
Rome Fiumicino 13.00
Tel Aviv Ben Gurion 17.25
B757-200



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Since you fly with 500 guys it sounds like a special flight/flights (at least the leg to Israel) so it will be difficult to tell which aircraft you are going to fly in.




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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Souds like charters to me....

User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

No, it's not a charter. Birthright Israel, the organization, purchased regular tickets. We'll be going in separate flights and days.

Thomas_Jaeger

Your information provided seems amazingly amazing !  Big thumbs up

Thank you very much

Jgore  Smile



User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Thomas_Jaeger

One question:

Is your information you provided absolute ?. I mean, are there any other flights I should take into account that might not match those you mentioned above ?

Thanks in advance.

Jgore  Smile


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2358 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

There is only one Alitalia flight from Buenos Aires to Italy on December 29 and this flight is to Rome Fiumicino. There are three weekly flights from Buenos Aires to both Milan Malpensa and Rome Fiumicino and they are logically not operated on the same days. BTW, this flight to Rom is fully booked in Economy Class  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

There is also only one El Al flight on December 30 from Rome Fiumicino to Tel Aviv Ben Gurion, so I am quite sure you will be travelling on those flights. However, equipment changes always happen ...



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User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

In any case if you are 500 teens group, for sure you will fly from EZE to Italy with two flights. AZ MDD-11 has 253 seats in Economy (174Y for the Combi version).

It's likely that on the Italy-TLV flight you will also use an AZ flight.



User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Route change

Alitalia Md-11 Eze to Rome Fiumicino. Rome Fiumicino to Milan. Milan to Tlv.
Now. Rome Fiumicino-Milan, Milan-Tlv equipment and times ?.

I need this info please. Thanks in advance.

Jgore  Smile


User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

BTW
Everything's on Alitalia. No el al from Milan to Tlv.

Jgore  Smile


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Why the two stops in Italy? Thats a pain.

Does LY and AZ have any commerical agreements or code-shares?

AZ is SkyTeam and LY code-shares with DL in the US.


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Alitalia operates a daily flight from MXP to TLV and another daily FCO-TLV both with A321 (these flights stop at LCA on the way to TLV for crew change; effective OCT02).
El Al flies 5 times a week to MXP and FCO (on winter), these flights are operated with anything from 73G to 762 at most cases, with the option for a 777 or 744 at the 'right' occasions.

AZ's MXP-TLV flight is a morning flight which lands at TLV daily around 16:00.

No codeshare between LY and AZ, nor commercial agreements.

To EZE from TLV, LY offers its pax to fly to MAD on LY and connect to IB on a special fare. IB and LY do codeshare and have a commercial agreement for South-American flights sectors.

Michael


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2358 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

AZ 681
Buenos Aires Ezeiza 14.25
Rome Fiumicino 07.15+1 day
MD-11

AZ 1020
Rome Fiumicino 08.00
Milan Malpensa 09.15
A320-200

AZ 804
Milan Malpensa 10.00
Larnaca 14.35/15.25
Tel Aviv Ben Gurion 16.15
A321-200

nice routing if you like seeing airports, however I don't expect the Italians to manage to get your luggage to TLV  Smile/happy/getting dizzy A trip report of this journey would be very interesting.



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User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Ouch, why stop at two Italian airports? Fiumicino is already enough of a pain in the ass to transit in. Furthermore I wouldn't be surprised if you experience luggage delays at FCO/MXP because they can totally forget to take your luggage out, and passenger assistance has to make a few calls to the baggage handlers.

9V-SVA



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

One thing though, Alitalia service is great(at least on 1 hr flight segments) but there will be no PTVs on any of the aircraft you'll be flying, so bring a good, long book.

9V-SVA



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Alitalia A320/321s have small LCD TV every 3 rows and they show air-show and sit-com. Haedphone for the 8 radio channels are complimentary.


45 minutes transit time in FCO and MXP in the Christmas time is a hell. Be ready to wait 2/3 days before you will get your luggage.

Please write a trip report later Smile



User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Thank you guys for your info and advises.
Now, I was just wondering why my trip organization chose EZE-FCO-MXP-TLV with Alitalia the entire legs.
Don't Alitalia have direct flights to TLV from FCO ?.

Jgore  Smile


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1859 times:

Airblue, I didn't get any headphones on my A321 flight(FCO-CTA), perhaps it was due to the flight time?(1 hr)

9V-SVA



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

9V-SVA, it was due to the flight time, they usually give it for flights over 2 hours.

Jgore, Alitalia have a daily direct flight to TLV from FCO, but it leaves late in the evening and you will arrive in FCO early in the morning, that's mean 14 hours between the two flights.



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