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Virgin Atlantic To Yyz?  
User currently offlineAC330 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 335 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Hi there! I know there has been some talk about this before, but I am going to bring it up again. Back in October I was reading a Toronto Airport aviation newspaper that I found at the airport and it mentioned something about the possibility of Virgin Atlantic returning to YYZ. Has anybody heard anything?? Any info would be great! Thanks,

AC330

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User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Virgin does not plan to come back to Toronto in the foreseeable future.
hope this helps

regards,
vs11


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

I have no information or anything, but my own speculation (i.e. pure guesswork!) is this: Virgin will concentrate on opening routes to Sydney next year (presumably via Hong Kong). Once that is up and running, they might introduce a second routing to Sydney and open a new route at the same time - i.e. London-Dubai-Sydney, or they might try and reach Sydney via Los Angeles as well. The eventual aim would be a mini-hub in Australia that could be turned into an independent operation (the long awaited Virgin Pacific), but that would still be years away...

Toronto and Vancouver would presumably still be on Virgin's list of destinations to expand to, just not in 2003. Perhaps in 2004 or 2005 again. My feeling is they'd start routes to both cities simultaneously next time. Definitely not until the Iraq thing is over - until then any airline starting a connection to North America would be stupid.

Regards

Ikarus



User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Dubai to Syd? Compete against EK I see, they'd need at least a A345 or the new LR planes from Boeing

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1411 times:

"until then any airline starting a connection to North America would be stupid. "

WHy do you say that??? Britain is more involved with the American's "fight against terror" or what ever CNN is calling it this week, then Canada is..

I dont think that the threat of this war has anything to do with VS not flying to Canada, they just have other markets that have more potential right now, AC and BA have so many LHR flights that unless VS can secure some room at LHR for Canada they will be operating at a disatvantage...There are just too many flights for the size of the market right now...



"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

I feel that Air Canada will soon have to reduce frequency to some of these cities that they have like 5 or 6 flights to, i personally think they may have to reduce their YYZ-LHR frequency because of simply they have to save money. At that time when the demand will be there VS may be able to fly profitably to YYZ.

Grant

P.S. Isn't BA adding a third flight 3 or 4 times a week in the summer?? That will hurt AC and limit the chance of VS at YYZ.



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

If Air Canada is profitably doing the LHR flights, and can take the competition from BA with their proposed 3 daily flights during the summer, then I say that's a good thing. If they see demand drop after BA adds more frequencies, then it's a good time to deploy the aircraft on different routes.

But as I said in another thread, YYZ is a hub or gateway for Air Canada, and it not only means traffic from YYZ to LHR, but also traffic going to YYZ to connect onwards to LHR and also traffic flying to YYZ then other destinations on the Star Alliance network. Of course, BA has the advantage of being able to take passengers from LHR to a whole bunch of other destinations and Air Canada can't compete as well in that regard. I'd think Germany is a more important destination than the UK for the simple fact that Lufthansa is Air Canada's partner in the Star Alliance and has a great network from there.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineC-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Nuno, Germany a more important destination than the UK for AC? Then, how come AC has 4 daily YYZ-LHR runs while they only have 2 daily YYZ-FRA?? Don't forget that BMI has a pretty large European network out of LHR. SAS and LH also have a big presence there.

Yes, BA can take people to many different places from one end of that route, but so can AC from their hub in Toronto. So I'd imagine the two can compete fairly evenly for the business traffic.

In terms of VS, let's not forget they flew VS047/048 from Gatwick and not Heathrow, I don't think Virgin has extra slots at Heathrow to open up a Toronto flight. It seems Virgin wasn't trying to compete so much with AC or BA for the high end business traffic that LHR gets but for the VFR/Holiday traffic against C3/TS out of LGW.

There is nothing in the works as of right now for VS flights to Toronto, but I've heard many times Sir Richard wants to get back into Canada and he will do so within the next few years. So if I hear anything, I'll post it up here.

And I don't think VS will go in on the LHR-YYZ route for their return, I think they would stick to LGW and use the higher Y configured 744s for the route.

Jeremy
A BIG supporter of VS returning to YYZ



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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Jeremy, I agree as I said above, BA can take people on to other destinations with their massive network out of LHR, and the same holds true for AC out of YYZ. So yes, that is fairly even. What I wasn't aware of was the network that BMI has out of LHR. If what you say is true, then there is a lot to gain for AC in LHR. But I still think that Germany is very important for Air Canada, and is why they want to increase frequencies, for example to Munich. Lufthansa does have a huge network out of Germany, and Air Canada profits from this.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

What is it nuno a gateway or a hub????  Smile  Smile


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

Slawko, don't get me started again!!! You know full well that Air Canada funnels many passengers to Toronto and onwards to other destinations. From my primitive knowledge in aviation ops, that means YYZ is a hub, or as another member said, it's only a gateway. Say what you want. The Canadian airline industry may be predominantly point to point, but Toronto is still a hub for Air Canada!


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

Gateway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Dubai to Syd? Compete against EK I see, they'd need at least a A345 or the new LR planes from Boeing

Not so sure we'll see VS purchasing 777s any time soon... Branson served as Airbus' unofficial Anti-ETOPS poster-baby during the Farnborough presentation of the A346/A345.

Interestingly enough, DJ may become an all-ETOPS operating airline. Oh the hypocrisy!!  Laugh out loud


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