SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1702 times:
actually we held the longest EMB 120 route... we flew Chicago O'Hare to Fargo, ND in the ER models... the RT model could not quite make it, unless we took some heavy weight restrctions of 24 pax and maybe 40 bags... but Fargo was always booked to 27/28... we'd need to keep 2 seats open for fuel reserves.... with the ER, we could probably do 60 bags w/ 28... and that's if the weather was nice, and still topping out the tanks...
the pilots on this route would never order fuel in advance, like most commuters... when they'd call in range to ORD, they'd tell us "1000 a side" but the Brasilia pilots were smarter than that because we did tail swaps so much at ORD they may be in 297UX, one of our newest Brasilias and the ER model w/ B kits, and it would get swapped with the crappy N181UE, an old RT model, or worse, one of the NXXXAM models from TWE.... even though we'd fill em up with fuel, sometimes we would barely fly with minimums due to the loads.. if you bumped 2 passengers they may be sitting in chicago for a few hours *lol*
Our Sioux Falls flights were always good to us, never many weight restrictions, but we'd still have weight issues...
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
oh, forgot some stuff.
When I was working for a start-up out of O'Hare, we were going to fly O'Hare to Asheville, NC; Grand Forks ND; and Fayetteville Ar using the Brasilia. Talk about pushing the plane to its limits!! I think our average stage length was just shy of 3 hours on some of these routes ... :P
When compared to the Dash 8 Q300, our other choice for plane, the Q3 would have made it, but since she's a slower bird, (i think the equation was) for ever 45 minutes of time in the Brasilia, we'd have to add 7 minutes of flying time for the Q3... so it would do well on the longer flights, the Q3 would also take anywhere from 20 to 35 minutes longer...
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1589 times:
Just found another "funny" flight in Brazil operated by Y8 (flt Z81450)
MCO (28°25'44"N 81°18'58"W) CLL (30°35'19"N 96°21'50"W) 917 mi
ORD (41°58'47"N 87°54'16"W) GFK (47°56'57"N 97°10'34"W) 612 mi
SLC (40°47'18"N 111°58'40"W) SNA (33°40'32"N 117°52'06"W) 587 mi
ORD (41°58'47"N 87°54'16"W) FAR (46°55'10"N 96°48'54"W) 556 mi
ORD (41°58'47"N 87°54'16"W) AVL (35°26'10"N 82°32'31"W) 536 mi
ORD (41°58'47"N 87°54'16"W) XNA (36°16'55"N 94°18'25"W) 521 mi
PHX (33°26'03"N 112°00'29"W) FAT (36°46'34"N 119°43'05"W) 493 mi
DIK (46°47'51"N 102°48'07"W) DEN (39°51'30"N 104°40'01"W) 488 mi
SLC (40°47'18"N 111°58'40"W) WYS (44°41'18"N 111°07'03"W) 272 mi
ORD (41°58'47"N 87°54'16"W) FSD (43°34'53"N 96°44'30"W) 462 mi
SJK (23°08'S 45°31'W) PLU (19°31'S 43°34'W) 278 mi
GVR (18°32'S 41°35'W) VDC (14°53'S 40°52'W) 255 mi
VDC (14°53'S 40°52'W) SSA (12°32'S 38°11'W) 241 mi
SLC (40°47'18"N 111°58'40"W) JAC (43°36'26"N 110°44'16"W) 204 mi
RAO (21°09'S 47°46'W) CGH (23°22'S 46°23'W) 176 mi
PLU (19°31'S 43°34'W) GVR (18°32'S 41°35'W) 146 mi
CGH (23°22'S 46°23'W) SJK (23°08'S 45°31'W) 57 mi
Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
Don't know how these fare as far as distance but I operated the CLE HPN flight a good bit and it was over 2 hours in route east bound and a bit longer on the leg back to CLE. We had all ER models and rarely took much of a weight hit as far as bumping pax. We even served a meal on the CLE HPN flight for a few years until the ERJ took it over. We had a contract with a fortune 100 company and it stated that a meal will be served so that made the Brasilia the only prop in CO's fleet with meal service.
RJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 198 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1447 times:
It may not be the longest of all time, but the longest leg we did in the Brasilia at Comair was MCO-BHM at 478nm. Way too long in that plane. Everybody dreaded doing that flight as the flightdeck seats were awful. However, I remember getting the old bird up to FL290, the plane was sipping gas at 380lbs a side. Talk about efficiency!
We were always balancing fuel vs. load in that plane. EYW-MCO was only an hour flight but the short runway there always had us getting our calculator out to figure out a max outbound load. We had unbalanced field length charts that would give us a little extra weight to carry. The first thing that Operations wanted to know was that max outbound so they knew how many people would be left behind.
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1412 times:
760 lb/hr would probably yield 270-280 KTAS at fl290. The Brasilia loved to cruise around FL190-FL230 where the ER's would true out around 300 KTAS. Carrying 30 PAX in the 20's and doing 300 true was pretty hot for a turboprop right up until the DA-328 hit the sky. I remember passing J-32's and B-1900's a few thousand feet above thinking the Brasilia was quite a machine. Then over the center frequency I'd here "Bluestreak 4108 checking in FL250". Sure enough they would pass us and put us back in perspective.
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1401 times:
I think even the passengers suffered from "Brasilia butt" :P Even in the exit row (behind wing) you'd have to get up and try to walk around, but it wouldn't help having to bend your head *lol*
Great Lakes really did a lot of cleaning up w/ their Brasilias... which is why we ordered 5 factory fresh birds... the rest came 2nd/3rd/4th hand... 293/296/297/299 (i'm forgetting one tail #) were the best birds...
btw, if you fly on SkyWest and are in a Brasilia w/ BLUE ENGINE COWLINGS, you are in one of the ex Lakes birds
In regards to the longest trip, ORD-GFK was a very long haul flight and we were going to maintain our yield based on 25 passengers per plane... and offer 5 daily flights.....
but that was back in 2000 before all of this other crap happened and GFK-ORD may have happened