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If US Goes Breasts Up. What Are My Options  
User currently offlineCainanUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

I am ticketed to fly MAN-PHL-RIC on Sunday of this week returning on the 30th of December. If USAirways goes tits up, what are my options?

CC


Cainan Cornelius
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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Either fly another carrier, or don't fly another carrier.


It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4612 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

First it is belly up. Some people just have to be tasteless in their posts.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Heh no. It's "tits up" to a lot of people. He was just trying to be less vulgar.

Fly US... I'm sure other airlines will accomodate you.

N


User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

"Tits Up" works for me. Ever since the Navy it has been a big favorite of mine. My wife even says it from time to time. Of course she's tasteless as well.

User currently offlineCainanUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Dont need smart arses right now I need answers. And secondly, as someone who works in aviaton, I can tell you that 'tits up' is all but a recognised "official" aviation term.

I work in weight and balance and not in the pax service end of things. The company I work for handles US and I dont want to go over to US and ask for fear of trodding on toes. So any info I could get from someone in the know would be extremely helpful.

CC



Cainan Cornelius
User currently offlineN757st From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Well, I guess I am in the same boat...

BDL-PHL-MCO Jan1 and MCO-DCA-BDL Jan 8.

All I can do is hope for the best and if the shit hits the fan that another carrier will honor my ticket....


User currently offlineAA777-200 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 323 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Isnt it Tango Uniform?

User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

I'm in the same boat with all of you guys. I'm flying LAS-PHL-SJU next week. Like N757st I'm hoping for the best. Should of known better than to book on a carrier in Chap. 11. Oh well, next time, book American Airlines I guess, lol  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5913 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Uhhh, National 757, American is next in line at the door....

I don't expect them to file at all, but of all the remaining majors, they are (supposedly) the closest/ worst off.

I would not worry about flying US right now. IF they go BUST (hey- that term works, it's like a double entendre... going bust, and bust also referrs to the chest area... nevermind.) IF they go bust, other carriers will honor the tickets... that's the way it usually works. Delta honored my worthless Legend ticket. Well, then they turned around and didn't honor it, but it wasn't a same- day emergency or anything...

so, no fear.

Randy


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Considering that the other airlines were pretty much ordered by the government to accomodate passengers on Vanguard and National, I believe the same thing would happen with US. You may end up stand by, but I doubt you'll be up the creek.

User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

I wouldn't want to be standby over the next week.....

User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

I wouldn't count on anyone honoring your ticket. It might happen, but I wouldn't count on it. Are you in a position to buy an ID90 as a back-up? They are refundable if not used. If not, maybe purchasing a fully refundable ticket on someone else as a backup.

User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

American's in a lot better shape than United or US Airways, as evidenced by the fact that within the last 30 days they were still able to get good rates on sale/leaseback of aircraft, as evidenced by the deal with Arkia.

I would expect other carriers to honor US Airways tickets, but if you were planning on flying Christmas Eve, if they close up shop, I would expect that you'll be flying on Christmas Day (when loads are light).

If you're an elite FF on another airline, and you go to them, that may not be as true.

Steve


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3463 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

I dont know if this would apply, but i do know that as a passenger you have the right that if your flight is cancelled or delayed over a good period of time and there is another airline offering a flight to the same city you can be transferred to the other airline without a charge. Now my friend told me that one about 1 year ago, so i am pretty sure it would still be a valid right.

User currently offlineRyefly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Do you think there is enough empty seats on the other carriers to handle US Airways passengers during the Christmas/ New Years holiday? I don't think so, but it's nice to think positive.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

IF they go bust, other carriers will honor the tickets... that's the way it usually works. Delta honored my worthless Legend ticket.

Many people may not know this, but it is law that the airlines must honour tickets by out of business carriers, unless... they do not have spare seats on the flights to give you.

Therefore do not assume that your ticket will be easily swallowed up as most of the carriers are pretty full in December with holiday traffic. For example, during Thanksgiving weekend, Continental had a 93.4% load factor on one of the days, this means that across the network, 93.4% of all seats were taken by revenue passengers or miles cash in. Many people often think this is that every flight has 93%, but in truth, most of them are 100% with some lower market areas having 60-70% bringing the % down

Jeremy


User currently offlineN757st From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Well, the only reason that I am going is to visit a friend at ERAU and to go look at some colleges I am considering transferring into, so if they do go down it is not like I am missing a buisness meeting... no ID90, damn I wish... but my father has a couple reward tickets on american and is a high volume buisness travelor, so maybe american can help me out... oh well, wait and see I guess.

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Two things from me:

1) Its TITS UP.

2) I hope your flights are OK.


User currently offlineClipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1895 times:
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Yes, Ouboy79, it is "tits up".

User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

There may be allot of inconveniences but chances are you will not lose the value of your ticket. At least that's what historical experience suggests. Historical experience also suggests not counting on a reliable flight on the days you have chosen, however. You can get stranded. You may simply not be able to fly at any day that is acceptible for your purposes.

Allot depends on if Usair suddenly dies in the manner of Vanguard or National - or gets slowly cut up route by route like Pan Am. The sad thing is, niether the government nor Usair nor United seem to be planning on easing the transition for custormers or employees in the event of a liquidation. They are concentrating all their energies on avoiding it. This means they have to hide the dangers of such a liquidation to their customers.

Believe me, if everyone who has bought tickets on Usair or United knew what could happen to them in the event of a sudden liquidation, a much larger proportion of them would avoid these airlines and we all know what the result of that would be. No one knew that National or Vanguard were ceasing operations untill it actually happened. It will be the same with Usair. It might never happen. It might happen slowly. It might happen suddenly, tommorow. Your ticket money is protected - somewhat. Your travel plans are not. The situation at United is much worse. If United were to suddenly cease operations - there would be chaos the likes of which have never been seen in the air transportation system before.

The press has been VERY kind to USair and United by not pointing out these facts. If I were a reporter - this would be a tough call for me to make. Do I warn my readers/listeners and fulfill my obligations to them? Or do I keep my mouth shut, knowing what I say could cause a panic and cause thousands to lose their jobs?


User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

First and foremost, if you buy tickets on US Airways, do so with a credit card so that you can recover the cost of the ticket if necessary. Standby would likely be very difficult since the other carriers will be booked for the holidays. If bad weather were to hit in certain areas, it would really make things difficult. I would expect that the other carriers would have an arrangement to transport US passengers, but only if seats are available.

User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

For anybody who is in the above situation I would spend a few extra $$$ and make sure your ticket is a 'paper' ticket, not an electronic or e-ticket (CainanUK: since you're on an international itinerary, you should already have a paper ticket).

Anyway, it's a little extra insurance. Can't hurt.


User currently offlineStaggerwing From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 95 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

As part of the bailout package passed after 9/11 the government told the airlines that they must honor the tickets purchased on a U.S. airline that goes out of business for the face value of the tickets. They were only allowed to charge a handling fee that accurately reflected the costs of actually changing the ticket set by the FAA. The FAA set the charge at $25 each way after Vanguard went out of business. There was some debate on whether they could make you fly standby, however according to the FAA it is a confirmed seat. So, if US goes out of business, a U.S. airline has to honor the ticket with a confirmed seat if there are any available as soon as you present the ticket. However, I am not sure if the law would apply on a flight beginning overseas.

Staggerwing


User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1567 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1792 times:

First it is belly up. Some people just have to be tasteless in their posts.

Firstly, Tits Up is fine for everyone else on here.

Secondly, did you have anything else to add, seeing as your post started with Firstly?

Seriously, CainanUK, if you bought your ticket from a consolidator, you should have been offerend Airline Failure Protection. In the event (God forbid) that US does go Tits Up, then you will have to pay for a new ticket and await a refund for your old ticket from the insurance company. Either that or you will be reprotected, although not necessarily on the same dates.


25 Post contains links BNE : Found this on another web site and it may answer one of your questions. http://hasbrouck.org/articles/bankruptcy.html There are about 20 questions abo
26 Ryefly : Thanks for the infor BNE, I didn't know it had to be the exact same route. I guess my cousin would be screwed then because he will be flying US Airway
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