CainanUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
Dont need smart arses right now I need answers. And secondly, as someone who works in aviaton, I can tell you that 'tits up' is all but a recognised "official" aviation term.
I work in weight and balance and not in the pax service end of things. The company I work for handles US and I dont want to go over to US and ask for fear of trodding on toes. So any info I could get from someone in the know would be extremely helpful.
National_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1864 times:
I'm in the same boat with all of you guys. I'm flying LAS-PHL-SJU next week. Like N757st I'm hoping for the best. Should of known better than to book on a carrier in Chap. 11. Oh well, next time, book American Airlines I guess, lol
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5620 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1850 times:
Uhhh, National 757, American is next in line at the door....
I don't expect them to file at all, but of all the remaining majors, they are (supposedly) the closest/ worst off.
I would not worry about flying US right now. IF they go BUST (hey- that term works, it's like a double entendre... going bust, and bust also referrs to the chest area... nevermind.) IF they go bust, other carriers will honor the tickets... that's the way it usually works. Delta honored my worthless Legend ticket. Well, then they turned around and didn't honor it, but it wasn't a same- day emergency or anything...
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1846 times:
Considering that the other airlines were pretty much ordered by the government to accomodate passengers on Vanguard and National, I believe the same thing would happen with US. You may end up stand by, but I doubt you'll be up the creek.
MD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1329 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1841 times:
I wouldn't count on anyone honoring your ticket. It might happen, but I wouldn't count on it. Are you in a position to buy an ID90 as a back-up? They are refundable if not used. If not, maybe purchasing a fully refundable ticket on someone else as a backup.
Sllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1825 times:
American's in a lot better shape than United or US Airways, as evidenced by the fact that within the last 30 days they were still able to get good rates on sale/leaseback of aircraft, as evidenced by the deal with Arkia.
I would expect other carriers to honor US Airways tickets, but if you were planning on flying Christmas Eve, if they close up shop, I would expect that you'll be flying on Christmas Day (when loads are light).
If you're an elite FF on another airline, and you go to them, that may not be as true.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1823 times:
I dont know if this would apply, but i do know that as a passenger you have the right that if your flight is cancelled or delayed over a good period of time and there is another airline offering a flight to the same city you can be transferred to the other airline without a charge. Now my friend told me that one about 1 year ago, so i am pretty sure it would still be a valid right.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1799 times:
IF they go bust, other carriers will honor the tickets... that's the way it usually works. Delta honored my worthless Legend ticket.
Many people may not know this, but it is law that the airlines must honour tickets by out of business carriers, unless... they do not have spare seats on the flights to give you.
Therefore do not assume that your ticket will be easily swallowed up as most of the carriers are pretty full in December with holiday traffic. For example, during Thanksgiving weekend, Continental had a 93.4% load factor on one of the days, this means that across the network, 93.4% of all seats were taken by revenue passengers or miles cash in. Many people often think this is that every flight has 93%, but in truth, most of them are 100% with some lower market areas having 60-70% bringing the % down
N757st From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1766 times:
Well, the only reason that I am going is to visit a friend at ERAU and to go look at some colleges I am considering transferring into, so if they do go down it is not like I am missing a buisness meeting... no ID90, damn I wish... but my father has a couple reward tickets on american and is a high volume buisness travelor, so maybe american can help me out... oh well, wait and see I guess.
Cloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
There may be allot of inconveniences but chances are you will not lose the value of your ticket. At least that's what historical experience suggests. Historical experience also suggests not counting on a reliable flight on the days you have chosen, however. You can get stranded. You may simply not be able to fly at any day that is acceptible for your purposes.
Allot depends on if Usair suddenly dies in the manner of Vanguard or National - or gets slowly cut up route by route like Pan Am. The sad thing is, niether the government nor Usair nor United seem to be planning on easing the transition for custormers or employees in the event of a liquidation. They are concentrating all their energies on avoiding it. This means they have to hide the dangers of such a liquidation to their customers.
Believe me, if everyone who has bought tickets on Usair or United knew what could happen to them in the event of a sudden liquidation, a much larger proportion of them would avoid these airlines and we all know what the result of that would be. No one knew that National or Vanguard were ceasing operations untill it actually happened. It will be the same with Usair. It might never happen. It might happen slowly. It might happen suddenly, tommorow. Your ticket money is protected - somewhat. Your travel plans are not. The situation at United is much worse. If United were to suddenly cease operations - there would be chaos the likes of which have never been seen in the air transportation system before.
The press has been VERY kind to USair and United by not pointing out these facts. If I were a reporter - this would be a tough call for me to make. Do I warn my readers/listeners and fulfill my obligations to them? Or do I keep my mouth shut, knowing what I say could cause a panic and cause thousands to lose their jobs?
Nonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
First and foremost, if you buy tickets on US Airways, do so with a credit card so that you can recover the cost of the ticket if necessary. Standby would likely be very difficult since the other carriers will be booked for the holidays. If bad weather were to hit in certain areas, it would really make things difficult. I would expect that the other carriers would have an arrangement to transport US passengers, but only if seats are available.
AKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2156 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1730 times:
For anybody who is in the above situation I would spend a few extra $$$ and make sure your ticket is a 'paper' ticket, not an electronic or e-ticket (CainanUK: since you're on an international itinerary, you should already have a paper ticket).
Anyway, it's a little extra insurance. Can't hurt.
Staggerwing From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 95 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1703 times:
As part of the bailout package passed after 9/11 the government told the airlines that they must honor the tickets purchased on a U.S. airline that goes out of business for the face value of the tickets. They were only allowed to charge a handling fee that accurately reflected the costs of actually changing the ticket set by the FAA. The FAA set the charge at $25 each way after Vanguard went out of business. There was some debate on whether they could make you fly standby, however according to the FAA it is a confirmed seat. So, if US goes out of business, a U.S. airline has to honor the ticket with a confirmed seat if there are any available as soon as you present the ticket. However, I am not sure if the law would apply on a flight beginning overseas.
Lapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1553 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1656 times:
First it is belly up. Some people just have to be tasteless in their posts.
Firstly, Tits Up is fine for everyone else on here.
Secondly, did you have anything else to add, seeing as your post started with Firstly?
Seriously, CainanUK, if you bought your ticket from a consolidator, you should have been offerend Airline Failure Protection. In the event (God forbid) that US does go Tits Up, then you will have to pay for a new ticket and await a refund for your old ticket from the insurance company. Either that or you will be reprotected, although not necessarily on the same dates.
: Found this on another web site and it may answer one of your questions. http://hasbrouck.org/articles/bankruptcy.html There are about 20 questions abo
: Thanks for the infor BNE, I didn't know it had to be the exact same route. I guess my cousin would be screwed then because he will be flying US Airway