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Should CX Consider 744D?  
User currently offlineCX 4ever From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 129 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Do you guys think CX should operate 744D on some of its ultra-short regional routes such as HKG/TPE, HKG/MNL?

The short flight time and the rapid changes in surrounding pressure cause a great stress on the aircraft airframe; by the time the plane reaches the cruise attitude, it's time to start the decend. In order to extend the life span of its regular B747-400s, would it be better for CX to lease, if not to purchase, the B747-400D for these short routes as 744D has stronger airframe and structure?

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User currently offlineCX773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

CX won't buy it as it's not cost effective. also for the flight planning, it's not flexible as it only flies for a short distance and it burns lots of gas. for HKG/TPE route, CX needs frequency not capacity.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13273 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

Also, bear in mind that 744Ds can be converted to 744s and vice versa. CX does need capacity on short haul flights, BUT it also needs the flexibility to be able to use 744s on short routes like TPE/NRT and BKK/SIN as well as ultra long haulers like YVR and LHR.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Exactly, CX use their B744 flexibly on both short and long hauls. Aircraft arrive from long hauls in the morning, go on short hauls during the day and leave for long hauls in the evening again. Using two different B744 configurations would reduce their flexibility and increase costs.


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

A small problem is also the fact that it is impossible to lease RR powered 744D's. No one has ordered any. NH and JL's use different engines. Conversion from 744D to normal 744 takes time in the workshop because the 744D has no winglets IIRC. There is no point in getting 744D's if they can just get a few more A330's or B777-200's (or -300's) and not disturb their fleet commonality.

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User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

Conversion to 747D is unrealistic. New landing gear, lower wing skins, are among the structural changes; this requires alot of time and money and wouldn't even make sense for "seasonal" routes.

User currently offlineCCA From Australia, joined Oct 2002, 928 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

CX have some of the highest utilized 747-400s in the world an average of 19-20hrs a day in flight.
As Udo said CX have the 400s for long haul and rather than have them sit on the ground between long hauls, CX use them on whatever routes need the capacity, the only place the CX -400s sit for any length is Heathrow, due to the Schedule, but due to this CX roster the 400s, A checks done over two days. So a 400D would mean not using the long haul A/C, and if it's sitting on the ground it's not making money.
CX is in a fortunate location being able to use their 400s around Asia, as an example QF charter their 400s out some times when they layover in Heathrow, but would have a hard time using their 400s around Australia like CX do around Asia.

User currently offlineCX773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

as many people say, most 744 will fly within asia after ULH ( europe, north america)flights, so there;s no points of buying 744D

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4556 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Also, CX operates the 777-300 which is a close to a 747-400D as one can get. I tip my hat though to CX's 747 as they are true work horses.

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