BeechStarship From United States of America, joined Oct 2002, 72 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
I will be flying to Hungary and Romania this summer, my father's and mother's birthplace, respectively. I haven't been to these countries and look forward to experiencing them.
I'm planning my flights and would love a chance to fly on a BAC 1-11 which I have never flown on. I believe the ones that TAROM has (or had) were kits made in Romania under license/supervision from BAC in the late 80s. Any info on the web out there about Romanian built 1-11s?
Does TAROM still operate them? Airlinerlist.com still lists several 1-11s as current with TAROM but TAROM's website doesn't mention them. I want to fly from Budapest to Bucharest. Any chance of riding on one of these rare birds?
Connector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 921 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1588 times:
Tarom still have a couple of them but doesn't fly them anymore. They are all for sale as we speak. One of those is actually a rare now ROMBAC 1-11 500 built under license at Romaero Bucharest. If you visit Romania and want to now more about it just pay a visit at Bucharest Baneasa City Airport where Romaero has its hangars and you might have the chance to see them on display along with the last Tarom's B707!
Beechstarship From United States of America, joined Oct 2002, 72 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1535 times:
They retired them already? Those planes weren't that old! Was there something wrong with them, or did the European noise regs do them in?
Saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1513 times:
Beechstarship:
I do not know how old they were but they sure were loud! I will say that the Tarom Bac 111 was the loudest plane I ever saw/heard when I worked in ZRH.
I am sure that noise was the main reason they were taken out of service.
Connector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 921 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1505 times:
They would probably require a stage 3 Hush Kit in order to fly in Europe(http://www.businessjetservices.com/bjs_hushkit.cfm)
The ROMBAC 1-11 - 525 FT (Romanian Built) was delivered to Tarom in May 1984 and got 11254 hours since new at a total of 6913 cicles. So not to shabby!
All of them were retired by Tarom in the mid 90's.
BeechStarship From United States of America, joined Oct 2002, 72 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1425 times:
How far east do the European noise regulations go? Are former Eastern Bloc countries like Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland under these same noise regs? Is it a European Union collaboration or something? I'm surprised these countries would have such strict rules, considering Russia still allows super-loud aircraft. I would think TAROM would use their relatively young 1-11s for inter-Bloc flights.
AKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2101 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1379 times:
Are there any BAC 1-11s still flying in Europe? Or anywhere else for that matter?
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1352 times:
the above mentioned http://www.airlinerlist.com lists all TAROM BAC 1-11s withdrawn from use by december 1999. In Europe, only the Romanian charter airlines Romavia and JARO each have two, but they are not seen flying much. In the US, about 15 are used as VIP bizjets. For passenger flights, there are 4 in South Africa with Nationwide, 2 in Guatemala with Tikal Jets. Most 1-11s are in Nigeria but they were grounded after a crash on 4 May 2002, I am not sure if they fly again.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1472 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
As MEA 707 notes, Tikal jets have a couple of 1-11, mainly flying the Guatemala City-Flores route.
I saw one (TG-TIF) at Flores ealier this year and it looked in fantastic condition, gleaming in the mid-day sun.
I have very fond memories of flying in the Monarch and Dan Air 1-11's duing the late 70's and early 80's...it was always a treat to walk down those rear steps.
Shame there are now few chances to fly on this excellent a/c, albeit with those rather noisy RR's swung out back.
Connector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 921 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1304 times:
Hungary, Czech Republic and Poland are going to become European Union members in 2004 so I would assume that they have already harmonized their own aircraft noise regulation with the ones adopted by EU.
On the other hand it seems that Romanian airports have no such restrictions or plans to phase-out stage 2 noise aircraft. However Bucharest Otopeni has restricted the civil passenger aircraft categorized as Stage2/Chapter 2 ICAO, Annex 16, since 1 April 2002 in accordance with the Order of the Minister of Transports - RACR - PM no. 9/22 May 2000.
Cargo stage 2 aircraft might still operate at OTP under certain restrictions.
For more info on noise regulation at OTP and TSR see:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/noise/bucharest.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/noise/timisoara.html
Conclusion? BeechStarship is right! Under certain restrictions It is still possible to fly a BAC 1-11 or any stage 2 aircraft between points in Romania and Russia. Aeroflot still lands its Tu-145 at OTP while other Romanian based charter operators are still flying a good bunch of BAC/ ROMBAC 1-11 400/500 to various sunny destinations in Spain, Cyprus, Turkey, Marocco, North Africa, etc. I even found out a picture of Romanian based Aerotrans BAC 1-11 taken in Prague earlier this year. Take a look
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