SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 1830 times:
N916FR was delivered on Thursday. (and I flew on it Sunday DEN-FLL, avoid the last row if possible on this bird!). No DirecTV.
N901FR, N903FR, N905FR have directv installed in them... they are on a rotation throughout the system, so there is no way to really determine if your flight will have it. Last I've heard, expect 2 more planes in the next month to have them installed.
4 cities will be announced in 2003. These will be pure Frontier JET cities. Rumors are saying Santa Ana, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, and a Florida city. Other rumors are pointing to Toronto, Detroit, and Milwaukee.
Mesa Air Group has cleaned up its act. The planes are now a lot more reliable than before... there are talks of possibly opening up new cities using JetExpress out of Denver on routes that will compete directly with United Express... again, rumors are pointing at aiming them in Reno, El Paso, Vail, Gunnison, Rapid City....
Geotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
Very glad to see Pittsburgh on the rumor list. USAirways has been the only nonstop carrier on this route for years. This year I had hoped to go to PIT for the holidays, but US wanted $1500 for a R/T with 21 days advanced notice for the dates I needed to fly. Perhaps Frontier will bring sanity to the historically high fares on this route.
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4055 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
This year I had hoped to go to PIT for the holidays, but US wanted $1500 for a R/T with 21 days advanced notice for the dates I needed to fly. Perhaps Frontier will bring sanity to the historically high fares on this route.
Hmm...let me guess, you called December 1st for travel on the 22nd? It is called yeild management. The lowest fare on that route charged by US Airways is $250. This is a 14 day advanced purchase, 3 day min stay required. Let me suggest something when making an airline reservation for christmas - do it more than 2-3 weeks before! There are plenty of people who paid far less than that $1500 for this trip...but they also planned their trips in advance. If you want to save money...book early - or else you will pay more, regardless of who you fly.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
Geotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 1571 times:
Oh really, Ouboy? Wow!! Thanks alot!! I never realized it was that simple. To think, I could have saved some money if I had only known what my schedule would be! How can I ever thank you for bestowing upon me such staggering and serendipitous insight to the nirvana that buying a ticket in advance could be?
Yield management. I never even considered that that could be the cause. I feel like a great light has been illuminated. What makes it even more phantasmagorical is that I'm sure that Frontier will never be able to match such low fares on this route. Surely, Frontier is destined for abyssmal failure as an enterprise.
Perhaps you could sell yourself as a consultant to Frontier. What, with your vast knowledge of fare data and yield ratios. You'd be a star!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 1574 times:
4 cities will be announced in 2003. These will be pure Frontier JET cities. Rumors are saying Santa Ana, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, and a Florida city. Other rumors are pointing to Toronto, Detroit, and Milwaukee.
Hmmm...they are already at RSW, TPA, MCO, and FLL. That leaves just JAX, PBI, and MIA. JAX, nor PBI, have any west coast service, so they could definitley offering something there. MIA offers the best yields in Florida, and MIA-DEN is a pretty dense corridor, especialy with ski traffic. Plus, they won't need to build much of a local customer base, as they already have with thier popular FLL service. MIA would be awesome, though I have a hunch it would be PBI.
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4055 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 1563 times:
Yawn. Nice nick by the way - how appropriate.
I've done the thing of not knowing my schedule a month or more ahead of time - so I work around and find days where the fares aren't overly expensive simply because there aren't any seats left. It happens...you wait til the last minute - you will be begging for a jar of vaseline. If it bothers you that much, then go to an alternate airport - CAK, CLE, etc...they have low fare carriers flying out of there as well. However, you are also flying out of DEN - one of the most expensive airports to operate out of. If you want to complain - complain to the local airport for not working with Southwest in getting them in there.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
Geotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
No need to go name calling. Just having a little fun with you. I've made that trip 6 times this year with anywhere from 5 to 23 days' notice, and never paid less than $409 R/T...no Saturday night stays, of course. Yes, Denver is expensive, there's no question about it. I just happen to think it's a good thing that Frontier is continuing to grow. In over 250,000 miles in the last 2 years out of Denver, with perhaps 60,000 of that on Frontier, they are always at least 15-20% lower than any other carrier on the same route. They're especially good for short notice fares.
Didn't mean to come off complaining. I merely wanted to highlight that Frontier's entry into the DEN-PIT market is a good thing.
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 1521 times:
the seats on N916FR in the BACK stand nearly straight up... it was very VERY uncomfortable back there, even though i've sat in row 22 a few times on the A319...
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11141 posts, RR: 61 Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1477 times:
PBI wouldn't surprise me and I have a feeling the Florida city will be PBI.
United was planning on starting 2 daily DEN-PBI last year, but that all changed. Along with DEN-RDU.........
Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5447 posts, RR: 53 Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1398 times:
N904FR (swan tail) was in the hanger getting PTV's installed yesterday.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3114 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1386 times:
I'm assuming the rumor that Frontier might start DEN-PHL has been put on the back burner along with Alaska's rumor that they might start SEA-PHL
Fsuwxman From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 439 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
I think out of the list of Florida cities that could get F9 service, I think the more likely might be JAX... They about have the rest of the state covered. In JAX they could tap into South Georgia/ North Florida population. Instead of these people driving north to ATL or south to TPA/MCO... I have found JAX very convenient, especially living in Tallahassee for a while. It also seems as though they have the least non- stops out west (before I get bashed for saying this, I did not look up anything, I made this conjecture on what I know before hand). American flies out to DFW and STL, Delta flies out to DFW and ATL, United goes to IAD and ORD, and Northwest flies to MSP I think. A flight or two to DEN would be nice, in my opinion.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1275 times:
The 737 and A319 can pass under, but the A318 won't be able to?
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25 Gigneil: Also, JetBlue may be investigating F9, but that would bring its aircraft type count to 3, and F9 uses CFM engines. I don't know if the difference betw
26 Mariner: The tail on the A318 is about 20 inches higher than the A319 (similar height to the 737NG). But how many Frontier aircraft actually do go under the wa
27 BA: But how many Frontier aircraft actually do go under the walkway? MANY, I can tell you that. Frontier is about the only airline that goes under the wal
28 Mariner: BA: Thanks for the answers. Howsumever, I'm only concerned with the stated "problem" part. If Frontier is the only airline to go under the walkway, th
29 Jmc1975: About 5 years ago, an America West 757 (N902AW) passed underneath the walkway and came out the other end with about a foot of its verticle stabilizer
30 BA: Mariner, But SegmentKing said it is more than "allowed" to pass under the walkway. Could it actually do it (at 41.5 feet) if "allowed"? I don't think
31 FATFlyer: BA, For some reason the America West 757 was being directed to A44. Incident occurred on 3/1/97. Who operated at A44 in 1997? Here is a summary of wha
32 BA: FATFlyer, From what I can tell, America West has always used Concourse C. But don't take my word for it. I forget these things. I didn't really follow
33 N80NA: BA, HP used gates 40 and 42 on the A concourse back then and some tech specs : tail heights per boeing and airbus web-sites : A318 41 ft 2 inches A319
34 Atcboy73: A318 vs bridge, problem solved-----just park them on the north side of the concourse
35 HlywdCatft: DEN to DTW? They were talking about that when I was out in DEN in 1996 and it still hasn't happened. How strong is this route? United, Northwest and S
36 Jmc1975: BA, I personally have flown HP into A42. They moved to concouse C in late-1999 or early-2000.
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Just having a little fun with you. I've made that trip 6 times this year with anywhere from 5 to 23 days' notice, and never paid less than $409 R/T...no Saturday night stays, of course. Yes, Denver is expensive, there's no question about it. I just happen to think it's a good thing that Frontier is continuing to grow. In over 250,000 miles in the last 2 years out of Denver, with perhaps 60,000 of that on Frontier, they are always at least 15-20% lower than any other carrier on the same route. They're especially good for short notice fares.
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