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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

N916FR was delivered on Thursday. (and I flew on it Sunday DEN-FLL, avoid the last row if possible on this bird!). No DirecTV.

N901FR, N903FR, N905FR have directv installed in them... they are on a rotation throughout the system, so there is no way to really determine if your flight will have it. Last I've heard, expect 2 more planes in the next month to have them installed.

4 cities will be announced in 2003. These will be pure Frontier JET cities. Rumors are saying Santa Ana, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, and a Florida city. Other rumors are pointing to Toronto, Detroit, and Milwaukee.

Mesa Air Group has cleaned up its act. The planes are now a lot more reliable than before... there are talks of possibly opening up new cities using JetExpress out of Denver on routes that will compete directly with United Express... again, rumors are pointing at aiming them in Reno, El Paso, Vail, Gunnison, Rapid City....

-n

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User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

In the past week the local NBC affiliate ran a report that RDU was on the
short list for new service by F9.



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Last bird I saw in the DirecTV hangar was the sea lion tail (couldn't see the reg#). Every 2 or so weeks I see one in there.

User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

So from the looks of it, no PHL in 2003.

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Toronto, eh? So their finally going to enter Canada. Good!

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Lowfareair,

I wouldn't say that. Frontier has been looking at PHL closely.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

I would not hold my breath on Mesa and Frontier expanding service.

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

well in the past 2 months, Mesa has brought in more reliable planes into the JetExpress network... so maybe they have cleaned up their act...

User currently offlineGeotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Very glad to see Pittsburgh on the rumor list. USAirways has been the only nonstop carrier on this route for years. This year I had hoped to go to PIT for the holidays, but US wanted $1500 for a R/T with 21 days advanced notice for the dates I needed to fly. Perhaps Frontier will bring sanity to the historically high fares on this route.

-Geo


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1977 times:
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Is there any news on when Frontier will start flying its A319s to SAN?

User currently offlineNicksair From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 484 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Lindy The Newest A319 N916FR Came Into SAN Today Around 1430PST.
Regards,
Nick
KSAN/KLAX/KPHL



Nicholas William Reed KSAN/KLAX/KSFO
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Santa Ana????
Haven't heard that in a while. I think it's called Orange County now...


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

This year I had hoped to go to PIT for the holidays, but US wanted $1500 for a R/T with 21 days advanced notice for the dates I needed to fly. Perhaps Frontier will bring sanity to the historically high fares on this route.

Hmm...let me guess, you called December 1st for travel on the 22nd? It is called yeild management. The lowest fare on that route charged by US Airways is $250. This is a 14 day advanced purchase, 3 day min stay required. Let me suggest something when making an airline reservation for christmas - do it more than 2-3 weeks before! There are plenty of people who paid far less than that $1500 for this trip...but they also planned their trips in advance. If you want to save money...book early - or else you will pay more, regardless of who you fly.


User currently offlineGeotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Oh really, Ouboy? Wow!! Thanks alot!! I never realized it was that simple. To think, I could have saved some money if I had only known what my schedule would be! How can I ever thank you for bestowing upon me such staggering and serendipitous insight to the nirvana that buying a ticket in advance could be?

Yield management. I never even considered that that could be the cause. I feel like a great light has been illuminated. What makes it even more phantasmagorical is that I'm sure that Frontier will never be able to match such low fares on this route. Surely, Frontier is destined for abyssmal failure as an enterprise.

Perhaps you could sell yourself as a consultant to Frontier. What, with your vast knowledge of fare data and yield ratios. You'd be a star!

Thanks for the help,
-Geo


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

4 cities will be announced in 2003. These will be pure Frontier JET cities. Rumors are saying Santa Ana, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, and a Florida city. Other rumors are pointing to Toronto, Detroit, and Milwaukee.

Hmmm...they are already at RSW, TPA, MCO, and FLL. That leaves just JAX, PBI, and MIA. JAX, nor PBI, have any west coast service, so they could definitley offering something there. MIA offers the best yields in Florida, and MIA-DEN is a pretty dense corridor, especialy with ski traffic. Plus, they won't need to build much of a local customer base, as they already have with thier popular FLL service. MIA would be awesome, though I have a hunch it would be PBI.



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Yawn. Nice nick by the way - how appropriate.  Smile

I've done the thing of not knowing my schedule a month or more ahead of time - so I work around and find days where the fares aren't overly expensive simply because there aren't any seats left. It happens...you wait til the last minute - you will be begging for a jar of vaseline. If it bothers you that much, then go to an alternate airport - CAK, CLE, etc...they have low fare carriers flying out of there as well. However, you are also flying out of DEN - one of the most expensive airports to operate out of. If you want to complain - complain to the local airport for not working with Southwest in getting them in there.


User currently offlineGeotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

No need to go name calling. Big grin Just having a little fun with you. I've made that trip 6 times this year with anywhere from 5 to 23 days' notice, and never paid less than $409 R/T...no Saturday night stays, of course. Yes, Denver is expensive, there's no question about it. I just happen to think it's a good thing that Frontier is continuing to grow. In over 250,000 miles in the last 2 years out of Denver, with perhaps 60,000 of that on Frontier, they are always at least 15-20% lower than any other carrier on the same route. They're especially good for short notice fares.

Didn't mean to come off complaining. I merely wanted to highlight that Frontier's entry into the DEN-PIT market is a good thing.

-Geo


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

Greg,

Actually its John Wayne Airport these days, not Orange County.

http://www.ocair.com/



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

the seats on N916FR in the BACK stand nearly straight up... it was very VERY uncomfortable back there, even though i've sat in row 22 a few times on the A319...

-n


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

PBI wouldn't surprise me and I have a feeling the Florida city will be PBI.

United was planning on starting 2 daily DEN-PBI last year, but that all changed. Along with DEN-RDU.........

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

N904FR (swan tail) was in the hanger getting PTV's installed yesterday.

Justin


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

I'm assuming the rumor that Frontier might start DEN-PHL has been put on the back burner along with Alaska's rumor that they might start SEA-PHL

User currently offlineFsuwxman From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

I think out of the list of Florida cities that could get F9 service, I think the more likely might be JAX... They about have the rest of the state covered. In JAX they could tap into South Georgia/ North Florida population. Instead of these people driving north to ATL or south to TPA/MCO... I have found JAX very convenient, especially living in Tallahassee for a while. It also seems as though they have the least non- stops out west (before I get bashed for saying this, I did not look up anything, I made this conjecture on what I know before hand). American flies out to DFW and STL, Delta flies out to DFW and ATL, United goes to IAD and ORD, and Northwest flies to MSP I think. A flight or two to DEN would be nice, in my opinion.


ASOS... Another Shi#y Observation Station
User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

well Jetblue has been poking around and doing some 'due diligence' on the airline.... not sure if anything will ever come of it.

Also,

new problem at Frontier Airlines.

The A318 will not be able to drive under the walkway... the tail is a few inches taller than allowed to pass through *doh*

-n


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

The 737 and A319 can pass under, but the A318 won't be able to?

N


25 Gigneil : Also, JetBlue may be investigating F9, but that would bring its aircraft type count to 3, and F9 uses CFM engines. I don't know if the difference betw
26 Mariner : The tail on the A318 is about 20 inches higher than the A319 (similar height to the 737NG). But how many Frontier aircraft actually do go under the wa
27 BA : But how many Frontier aircraft actually do go under the walkway? MANY, I can tell you that. Frontier is about the only airline that goes under the wal
28 Mariner : BA: Thanks for the answers. Howsumever, I'm only concerned with the stated "problem" part. If Frontier is the only airline to go under the walkway, th
29 Jmc1975 : About 5 years ago, an America West 757 (N902AW) passed underneath the walkway and came out the other end with about a foot of its verticle stabilizer
30 BA : Mariner, But SegmentKing said it is more than "allowed" to pass under the walkway. Could it actually do it (at 41.5 feet) if "allowed"? I don't think
31 Post contains links FATFlyer : BA, For some reason the America West 757 was being directed to A44. Incident occurred on 3/1/97. Who operated at A44 in 1997? Here is a summary of wha
32 BA : FATFlyer, From what I can tell, America West has always used Concourse C. But don't take my word for it. I forget these things. I didn't really follow
33 N80NA : BA, HP used gates 40 and 42 on the A concourse back then and some tech specs : tail heights per boeing and airbus web-sites : A318 41 ft 2 inches A319
34 Post contains images Atcboy73 : A318 vs bridge, problem solved-----just park them on the north side of the concourse
35 HlywdCatft : DEN to DTW? They were talking about that when I was out in DEN in 1996 and it still hasn't happened. How strong is this route? United, Northwest and S
36 Jmc1975 : BA, I personally have flown HP into A42. They moved to concouse C in late-1999 or early-2000.
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