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"Airbus Lovers" Are Like "Nissan Lovers"  
User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

After following this site for a while, and being older than 99& or the posters, and having accummulated maybe some 90% more miles than an average poster, I would say this:

There are numerous local teenagers who think that a Nissan Sentra is an exotic car. These same guys think that an AirBlue Airbus represents such an exotic European special value, that even the airline is above any critisism. A plane is a plane and an airline is an airline, and if one gets e.g. some penalties due to noice it is not really anything unfair.

I used to live in Europe where all the Nissans and Toyotas have been the most boring thing on the streets for centuries. Also such were the "exotic" and "exciting" local carriers like LH, BA, AF, SK, AY..whatever. Now you kids swear by these same names and see something special in them. And you have added one local name on the list; AirBlue. Which operates these wonderful exotic foreign things. I bet these same guys drive Nissan Sentras, Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics and claim them to be the coolest things on earth. Anywhere else than in your minds these cars would be just something very boring and everyday thing. Equals the airline and the airliner...

No airline is God. No aircraft is God. They are just pieces or metal, plastics etc. They produce some noice - not music. If they differ from other a/c, it is nothing important, and nothing to worship about. If you feel that anything foreign is exciting, you lack some self-esteem.

Nobody prospers based on artificial childish values. A plane is a plane.

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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Amen FFlyer.



User currently offlineB747forlife From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Here here. Finally someone who sees beyond B vs A.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

-Nick


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

I completely agree with you. Thanks for making this post.

I must have missed the scripture that many here must have read: "Holy is the name jetBlue...."


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

You mean those jetBlue counter people, gate agents, flight attendants, and cockpit crewmembers gave me the best treatment I've ever had as an airline passenger in vain?

Their enthusiasm, courtesy, and attentiveness was all for nothing?

It's a pity.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1923 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

I don't think ANYONE believes a Sentra is an exotic car.

Either way, I think people make more of a fuss about how they get treated INSIDE those metal pressurized tubes hurtly about the planet. I personally don't see why good service shouldn't be frontpage news on an airliner board. *if that's even your point, I couldn't tell  Smile*

George



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Well, I guess I kind of agree but in a less militant way. I still believe that it is OK to have preferences, and the start of the thread sort of makes it sound that if you prefer anything, you are a moron. Which is a bit extreme in my view. That being said, there are few things more irritating than someone who goes overboard about things that are not all that special. I work with a guy who drives a POS 4 banger Toyota who is a prime example of what I think you are hinting at. As for planes, I like anything that flies.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Give me a mile of road and I can take you a mile. Give me a mile of runway and I can show you the world.
User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

I agree with AvroArrow...its fine to have a preference, but people who take their "preference" to extreme levels need to realize that they are taking it too far...

Greg



Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

I find an old Convair 990 like my 70 Roadrunner Superbird, now thats exotic!!

User currently offlineDash8tech From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 732 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Hey, I have a Sentra! In fact, a Pathfinder too! Great, two Nissan's....and oh dear, one of my favourite trips was on an A340...but the best on a 777. Hmm, apples and oranges eh?

Good post!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Another Boeing fan that can't accept Airbus is now the market leader  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineGotAirbus From Singapore, joined May 2001, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

FFlyer

After reading the post on you trying to straighten things out with people 'preferring' this over that, you are suggesting to us that you 'prefer' people to listen to this classic "a plane is a plane" ?

No airline is God. No aircraft is God. They are just pieces or metal, plastics etc. They produce some noice - not music.
Try telling that to some aviation enthusiast. Well, of course, no airline is "god-lier" than the other but to say "just pieces of metal, plastics etc." gives me the impression that you just want service and get on with life. Also, your screen-nick suggest that you are on an airline just to rack up FF miles?

(The comments were probably based on me either being true to my feelings or maybe the thought of being an aviation enthusiast pushes my ego one level higher...maybe???)

If they differ from other a/c, it is nothing important, and nothing to worship about. If you feel that anything foreign is exciting, you lack some self-esteem.
"If you feel that anything foreign is exciting" sounds like one of the speeches pro-Boeing G. B€thune would give (and also, would attack people who are not thoroughly with him).

Even though I do not pledge loyalty/ride AirBlue I really do think your post is consistent throughout...directed to AirBlue Airbus, that is.

(gotAirbus?)




(gotAIRBUS?) - (Got Commonality?) - (Have A Nice Flight!)
User currently offlinePmk From United States of America, joined May 1999, 664 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

In the same analogy, if an Altima cost $6,000 and came with a 150,000/15 year bumper to bumper warranty they would be the market leader too! I'm more than willing to start A vs B, B is better, for reasons too numerous to mention, A gives their planes away for much less than they could on an open market and sells them with a service package that makes them unresistable. B is a reputable company that does not dump on the market, if B tried what A did they would go to jail; does no one here see this! No, of course not, because the United States is hated world wide. Don't believe this, read the stories, check the AP wire. And where is this site based, Guess. The Europeans attempted to enter the US auto market, and quickly learned that a car that will last 10 years in Europe turned into a rust ball in 3 in the US, well Airbus is having the same problems. The oldest Airbuses in the United States are the A300's owned by American Airlines, 1986 era, so sixteen years old, of those one crashed into a New York City neighborhood due to a structural failure, something that has NEVER happened to a Boeing; another had a complete hydraulic failure. These are the oldest Airbuses in the country! These things are babies! I routinely fly on Boeings and MDC products that are over Thirty years old, some approaching 40, the scrap yards are full of 1970's era airbus products, conversely some airlines fleets are made entirely of 25+ year old Boeing products, not going to happen to Airbuses. Airbuses do not have the longevity of Boeings, this is provable therefore not A vs B rhetoric. Just as I own seven classic American cars that all would make a cross country run, the junkyards are full of Sentras.

Peter

Peter


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2109 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

The irony in FFLYER's post, is that while chastising others for preferring one manufacturer over another, he is revealing that he prefers Boeing over Airbus, because he is deeply troubled by those who favor Airbus over Boeing.










An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6972 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

Looking at Airbus v Boeing wars sometimes are like seeing a Backstreet Boys vs. NSync wars... always get bogged down by the clueless... I use the battle of the boybands because, sometimes, it looks that way.

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Hahaa. I was a little bit drunk last night when I wrote the note. That created the special tone...

But, it was the LGB noise post, which raised my anger. Some people were saying something about Airbuses being so quiet that the local people should be happy about being awaken by them. And posters actually got upset that an airline (jetBlue) has been sentenced for breaking the regulations.

I'm not prefering Boeing over Airbus or the other way around. But I am "troubled" over fanatism. There is a lot more about that around Airbus than Boeing. For the same reason, I can't stand the supporters of Ferrari F-1 team (F1 being the only sport I follow). Sports is today's religion, I know. But not Airbus (or Boeing).


User currently offlineRickb From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

FFlyer,

Agree with the fanaticism post - I have come to the conclusion that numerous people here will not believe a fact unless it agree's with their own personal belief. To be honest I prefer Boeing aircraft but I will argue until im blue in the face providing information on Airbus to Boeing fans in an attempt to set the record straight (and vice versa) - all for no avail as you just cant change some people's beliefs. Some people seem to be more fanatical about which aircraft manufacturer they support than some religious zealots are about their own religious beliefs !!

The sports analogy is spot on - I guess it's the same as trying to pursuade a Washington Redskins fan that Dallas aren't all bad and a Manchester United fan that he's a glory seeker (scouse joke there !!)

Merry Christmas (apologies if that offends anyone !!)

RickB


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Pmk,

The oldest Airbuses in the United States are the A300's owned by American Airlines, 1986 era, so sixteen years old, of those one crashed into a New York City neighborhood due to a structural failure, something that has NEVER happened to a Boeing; another had a complete hydraulic failure.

I suggest you check your facts before posting something of that nature! If you consider a tail ripping off a structural failure, well then maybe you would like to know about a Japan Airlines 747 that crashed on August 12 1985 after the tail ripped off. To this day it remains the worst single aircraft disaster! That plane was only 11 years old.

Hydraulic failure? UA 232 ring a bell? The DC-10 that lost all hydrolics after the engine exploded?

I suggest you check your facts before posting biased opnions, after all this is a world wide forum.

By the way, I traded my plastic American car for a used Nissan Maxima, and all I can say is, it is one of the best choices I have ever made in my life!

SR 103

Oh yeah, I do prefer Airbus as well, but the 747 is my favorite aircraft!


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5054 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2431 times:

Pmk,

The oldest Airbuses in the United States are the A300's owned by American Airlines, 1986 era, so sixteen years old,

Uhm... Aren't you forgetting all the cargo A300Bs flown by DHL, Tradewinds, etc? You don't see them 'falling out of the sky', do you?

of those one crashed into a New York City neighborhood due to a structural failure, something that has NEVER happened to a Boeing;

See SR103's post for that one. Also, might I direct your attention to the fact that investigators are currently focussing their attention on PILOT actions, seeing as how they could find NO FAULT in the Airbus plane?

Please, before talking out of your (obviously very frustrated) ass, see to it that you know WHAT you are talking about, k?


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2416 times:

INSIDE those metal pressurized tubes

You mean INSIDE those plastic and fiberglass pressurized tubes, Right? (Airbus = Composites)


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5054 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2411 times:

BR715,

The fuselages (as in: the pressurized tubes) of Airbuses are made of aluminum, just like those of Boeings. The composites are in the wing, tail, etc. The first Airbus that will have a partly composite fuselage will be A380.


User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 days ago) and read 2352 times:

You mean those jetBlue counter people, gate agents, flight attendants, and cockpit crewmembers gave me the best treatment I've ever had as an airline passenger in vain?

No it's not in vain. It's their job and they did it with flair and enthusiasm.

Well said LHMark.

As for me, I drive a Nissan. It's the second one I've had and my third car will be another Nissan if ever this one calls it quits.



User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Very well said FFlyer.

I myself have flown on aircraft such as the 707 all the way to the Saab 340 and I definately know that Airbuses are not anymore special than other aircraft.

As for airlines, I've had different experiences. Some I've flown I was extremely impressed by while others I thought were regular.

Regarding Nissans. I agree that a Sentra is by no means an exotic car. Teenagers around here thing a Honda CRX with a loud-mouth muffler is the coolest car in the world.

However, I am a big fan of Nissans as I've had experience with 2 in the past.

As far as exotic goes, Nissan is coming out with some exotic cars.

I am crazy about the new Altima. That is one stylish, sleek looking car:


This is the new 2004 Maxima. Much greatly improved over the current design:


While I'm not really a fan of this one, it is definately very exotic and stylish, the new Murano:


Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3258 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

I am not into A vs B wars and thus will not be sidetracked into taking a side. The cars' analogy seems appropriate though. Interestingly, that 2004 Nissan Maxima strongly resembles the current Renault Megane. Shades of Europe...

TrintoCan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

http://ultra.cto.us.edu.pl/pub/Multimedia/Pictures/Cars/Plymouth/Roadrunner/1970.RoadrunnerSuperbird.01.jpg

The Convair 990 rocket of cars


25 Rickb : I have to say I have heard some sh*t on this forum by some people but PMK's post really has achieved fresh new heights !!! Whilst 99% of the populatio
26 HlywdCatft : Typically as of late a lot of Japanese cars have outlasted American cars, but yeah most Japanese cars are built in the U.S. and American cars are buil
27 BA : I have a Subaru Outback which is obviously Japanese. The engine and all the components are built in Japan. But the car was assembled here in the US. I
28 EGGD : FFlyer - I see what you are saying, bad choice of title though! RickB, USAFHummer, AvroArrow, couldn't have said it better myself. pmk - go to sleep!
29 Douglas DC-9 : All I can say is this...I hate Nissan cars, always have, more then likely I always will! I once owned a Nissan pickup! That was the worst car I've eve
30 Boeing4ever : Another Boeing fan that can't accept Airbus is now the market leader Another fanatic Airbus fan and rabid anti-American spouting his diatribe and can'
31 Racko : Boeing4ever, how do you read out of that statement that Hkgspotter1 is anti-american?
32 Dc10guy : Nissans rust bad = Airbuses have bad corrosion ... I see the similarities, JAL is a lot like America West. Yeah I see your point.
33 Svenvdm : Pmk, you wrote the following: And where is this site based, Guess. I hate to burst your bubble again but it (airliners.net) is based in Sweden at the
34 Kay : I haven't read all the answers to the post, so at the risk of repeating someone else's words: - I agree that Toyota bla bla have less personality than
35 AvObserver : Username: Hkgspotter1 "Another Boeing fan that can't accept Airbus is now the market leader." This post has been recommended for deletion on the groun
36 Post contains images 747-451 : I agree FFlyer. With age comes wisdom (look at my profile as well) PS Nissan's cars are the worst, most overstyled, tacky cars ever--and projector bea
37 Post contains images Avt007 : FFlyer may have been drunk, so I'll excuse some of the first post. However, to me it came across as one of those "been there, done that, I'm so cool I
38 HlywdCatft : **Boeing4ever, how do you read out of that statement that Hkgspotter1 is anti-american?"** Hkgspotter is also Anti Northwest
39 Boeing4ever : Boeing4ever, how do you read out of that statement that Hkgspotter1 is anti-american? I didn't get that from his statement, more from his blatently an
40 Post contains images AApilot2b : Do I hear the Jet Blue ban wagon coming? Quick lets get on like every one else!
41 Post contains images OO-AOG : When I look at an Airbus A330, I just love it, it's graceful. When I look at a Nissan, well I never look to Nissans anyway.... I would buy or drive a
42 Post contains images RickB : Guys, Take a look at the Nissan 350Z if you think they can't make anything attractive or interesting. One of the best looking cars I have ever seen i'
43 Post contains images Hmmmm... : I used to own a Nissan '71 240Z. Sold it to a young kid for a high school restoration project. Here's a couple pictures of the old Z cars. Ooh baby...
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