FFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3171 times:
After following this site for a while, and being older than 99& or the posters, and having accummulated maybe some 90% more miles than an average poster, I would say this:
There are numerous local teenagers who think that a Nissan Sentra is an exotic car. These same guys think that an AirBlue Airbus represents such an exotic European special value, that even the airline is above any critisism. A plane is a plane and an airline is an airline, and if one gets e.g. some penalties due to noice it is not really anything unfair.
I used to live in Europe where all the Nissans and Toyotas have been the most boring thing on the streets for centuries. Also such were the "exotic" and "exciting" local carriers like LH, BA, AF, SK, AY..whatever. Now you kids swear by these same names and see something special in them. And you have added one local name on the list; AirBlue. Which operates these wonderful exotic foreign things. I bet these same guys drive Nissan Sentras, Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics and claim them to be the coolest things on earth. Anywhere else than in your minds these cars would be just something very boring and everyday thing. Equals the airline and the airliner...
No airline is God. No aircraft is God. They are just pieces or metal, plastics etc. They produce some noice - not music. If they differ from other a/c, it is nothing important, and nothing to worship about. If you feel that anything foreign is exciting, you lack some self-esteem.
Nobody prospers based on artificial childish values. A plane is a plane.
BlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3104 times:
I don't think ANYONE believes a Sentra is an exotic car.
Either way, I think people make more of a fuss about how they get treated INSIDE those metal pressurized tubes hurtly about the planet. I personally don't see why good service shouldn't be frontpage news on an airliner board. *if that's even your point, I couldn't tell *
AvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3064 times:
Well, I guess I kind of agree but in a less militant way. I still believe that it is OK to have preferences, and the start of the thread sort of makes it sound that if you prefer anything, you are a moron. Which is a bit extreme in my view. That being said, there are few things more irritating than someone who goes overboard about things that are not all that special. I work with a guy who drives a POS 4 banger Toyota who is a prime example of what I think you are hinting at. As for planes, I like anything that flies.
Give me a mile of road and I can take you a mile. Give me a mile of runway and I can show you the world.
GotAirbus From Singapore, joined May 2001, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2992 times:
After reading the post on you trying to straighten things out with people 'preferring' this over that, you are suggesting to us that you 'prefer' people to listen to this classic "a plane is a plane" ?
No airline is God. No aircraft is God. They are just pieces or metal, plastics etc. They produce some noice - not music.
Try telling that to some aviation enthusiast. Well, of course, no airline is "god-lier" than the other but to say "just pieces of metal, plastics etc." gives me the impression that you just want service and get on with life. Also, your screen-nick suggest that you are on an airline just to rack up FF miles?
(The comments were probably based on me either being true to my feelings or maybe the thought of being an aviation enthusiast pushes my ego one level higher...maybe???)
If they differ from other a/c, it is nothing important, and nothing to worship about. If you feel that anything foreign is exciting, you lack some self-esteem.
"If you feel that anything foreign is exciting" sounds like one of the speeches pro-Boeing G. B€thune would give (and also, would attack people who are not thoroughly with him).
Even though I do not pledge loyalty/ride AirBlue I really do think your post is consistent throughout...directed to AirBlue Airbus, that is.
(gotAIRBUS?) - (Got Commonality?) - (Have A Nice Flight!)
Pmk From United States of America, joined May 1999, 664 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2964 times:
In the same analogy, if an Altima cost $6,000 and came with a 150,000/15 year bumper to bumper warranty they would be the market leader too! I'm more than willing to start A vs B, B is better, for reasons too numerous to mention, A gives their planes away for much less than they could on an open market and sells them with a service package that makes them unresistable. B is a reputable company that does not dump on the market, if B tried what A did they would go to jail; does no one here see this! No, of course not, because the United States is hated world wide. Don't believe this, read the stories, check the AP wire. And where is this site based, Guess. The Europeans attempted to enter the US auto market, and quickly learned that a car that will last 10 years in Europe turned into a rust ball in 3 in the US, well Airbus is having the same problems. The oldest Airbuses in the United States are the A300's owned by American Airlines, 1986 era, so sixteen years old, of those one crashed into a New York City neighborhood due to a structural failure, something that has NEVER happened to a Boeing; another had a complete hydraulic failure. These are the oldest Airbuses in the country! These things are babies! I routinely fly on Boeings and MDC products that are over Thirty years old, some approaching 40, the scrap yards are full of 1970's era airbus products, conversely some airlines fleets are made entirely of 25+ year old Boeing products, not going to happen to Airbuses. Airbuses do not have the longevity of Boeings, this is provable therefore not A vs B rhetoric. Just as I own seven classic American cars that all would make a cross country run, the junkyards are full of Sentras.
Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2957 times:
The irony in FFLYER's post, is that while chastising others for preferring one manufacturer over another, he is revealing that he prefers Boeing over Airbus, because he is deeply troubled by those who favor Airbus over Boeing.
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7380 posts, RR: 78
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
Looking at Airbus v Boeing wars sometimes are like seeing a Backstreet Boys vs. NSync wars... always get bogged down by the clueless... I use the battle of the boybands because, sometimes, it looks that way.
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
FFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
Hahaa. I was a little bit drunk last night when I wrote the note. That created the special tone...
But, it was the LGB noise post, which raised my anger. Some people were saying something about Airbuses being so quiet that the local people should be happy about being awaken by them. And posters actually got upset that an airline (jetBlue) has been sentenced for breaking the regulations.
I'm not prefering Boeing over Airbus or the other way around. But I am "troubled" over fanatism. There is a lot more about that around Airbus than Boeing. For the same reason, I can't stand the supporters of Ferrari F-1 team (F1 being the only sport I follow). Sports is today's religion, I know. But not Airbus (or Boeing).
Rickb From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2827 times:
Agree with the fanaticism post - I have come to the conclusion that numerous people here will not believe a fact unless it agree's with their own personal belief. To be honest I prefer Boeing aircraft but I will argue until im blue in the face providing information on Airbus to Boeing fans in an attempt to set the record straight (and vice versa) - all for no avail as you just cant change some people's beliefs. Some people seem to be more fanatical about which aircraft manufacturer they support than some religious zealots are about their own religious beliefs !!
The sports analogy is spot on - I guess it's the same as trying to pursuade a Washington Redskins fan that Dallas aren't all bad and a Manchester United fan that he's a glory seeker (scouse joke there !!)
Merry Christmas (apologies if that offends anyone !!)
SR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1744 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
The oldest Airbuses in the United States are the A300's owned by American Airlines, 1986 era, so sixteen years old, of those one crashed into a New York City neighborhood due to a structural failure, something that has NEVER happened to a Boeing; another had a complete hydraulic failure.
I suggest you check your facts before posting something of that nature! If you consider a tail ripping off a structural failure, well then maybe you would like to know about a Japan Airlines 747 that crashed on August 12 1985 after the tail ripped off. To this day it remains the worst single aircraft disaster! That plane was only 11 years old.
Hydraulic failure? UA 232 ring a bell? The DC-10 that lost all hydrolics after the engine exploded?
I suggest you check your facts before posting biased opnions, after all this is a world wide forum.
By the way, I traded my plastic American car for a used Nissan Maxima, and all I can say is, it is one of the best choices I have ever made in my life!
Oh yeah, I do prefer Airbus as well, but the 747 is my favorite aircraft!
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5141 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2803 times:
The oldest Airbuses in the United States are the A300's owned by American Airlines, 1986 era, so sixteen years old,
Uhm... Aren't you forgetting all the cargo A300Bs flown by DHL, Tradewinds, etc? You don't see them 'falling out of the sky', do you?
of those one crashed into a New York City neighborhood due to a structural failure, something that has NEVER happened to a Boeing;
See SR103's post for that one. Also, might I direct your attention to the fact that investigators are currently focussing their attention on PILOT actions, seeing as how they could find NO FAULT in the Airbus plane?
Please, before talking out of your (obviously very frustrated) ass, see to it that you know WHAT you are talking about, k?
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5141 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2783 times:
The fuselages (as in: the pressurized tubes) of Airbuses are made of aluminum, just like those of Boeings. The composites are in the wing, tail, etc. The first Airbus that will have a partly composite fuselage will be A380.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3287 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2652 times:
I am not into A vs B wars and thus will not be sidetracked into taking a side. The cars' analogy seems appropriate though. Interestingly, that 2004 Nissan Maxima strongly resembles the current Renault Megane. Shades of Europe...