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US Airways 767 & A330 Fleet Questions.  
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

How does U.S. Airways operate their 767-200ERs and A330-300s? Are certain routes operated by only one model, or do the two share routes?


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

I don't think there's too much route sharing, cause US doesn't have multiple frequencies on many of their transatlantic flights.

I'd venture a guess to say they might share at least one from PHL, but I know they don't from PIT or CLT.

N


User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6063 times:

They share routes from PHL-LGW in the summer (when there are two frequencies). I think they also share on PHL-SJU as well as between the US hubs.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3396 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Yeah they share on the PHL-LGW route in the summer and PHL-SJU, maybe the PHL-CLT route thats a 767 might be an A330 sometimes. As for that they really dont share routes, they can replace each other though. Like if an A330 needs maintance and there's no other A330 to replace it for that time a 767 can step in without too many problems.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

Sorry... I was being specific on the transatlantic.

They also fly the 767 down to FLL and MIA and so on, and I know the A330 occasionally visits MIA as well.

N


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3396 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

If i am not mistaken US has never used the 767 to fll, and if they have its only been for a short time. MIA saw the A330 for a short time when the 330 first entered service but now that has been downgraded and is only a 767 on occasion. MCO sees 1 or 2 767's a day at certain times but i am pretty sure a 330 was never used on a flt to MCO. A 767 and 330 have been used between PHL-CLT, but it varies depending on the season which one it is. A 330 and 767 are both used on the PHL-SJU route and a 767 is used on the CLT-SJU route, with the 330 flying that route depending on the season i believe. LAX-CLT also typically has 1 767. Most of the 767's and 330's operate through PHL each day. About 5 or 6 330's and probably 7 767's a day. Look for some of these 767 routes to be downgraded to 321's probably if US follows through with its new Ireland service from PHL in the summer.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5899 times:

I believe the A330's are flying the following routes:

Philadelphia-London/Gatwick
Philadelphia-Paris (CDG)
Philadelphia-Frankfurt
Philadelphia-Rome
Philadelphia-Manchester
Philadelphia-San Juan, PR

Charlotte-Frankfurt

Pittsburgh-London/Gatwick

The 767-200ER's operate the Philadelphia to Amsterdam, Munich, and Madrid flights, as well as the Charlotte to London and Pittsburgh to Frankfurt flights, as far as intercontinental longhauls go. There will be 767's operating the new Philadelphia-Dublin and Philadelphia-Shannon flights, which will operate on a seasonal basis from June 2003.

There are 9 A330's and 12 767-200ER's in the US Airways fleet.

ContinentalEWR



User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5889 times:

PHL-FRA and PIT-FRA are both on A333 and the CLT-FRA flight is on the 762 and not an A333 while PIT-FRA is an 762...

I have flown FRA-PIT and PHL-FRA and both were on the Airbus.

Max


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5858 times:

Correction on the 767 fleet, there are only 11 now. One aircraft was written off, and subsequently broken up, I believe last year, due to an uncontained engine failure and fire, during a run up, while undergoing a routine maintenance check at the hangar. Considerable damage to the fuselage. Thank god this didn't happen out over the Atlantic, because the end result would have most certainly been catastrophic.

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

The largest US aircraft FLL sees is the 757-200, it has never seen a 767 or A330...the A330 will run extremely rare repositioning flights between PHL, PIT and CLT, but this is extremely rare...maybe once a year or so...

Greg



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User currently offline762er From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5749 times:

Godbless: Slight correction: PIT-FRA is an A330 roundtrip, not just on the return leg. Also just a comment, PIT-LGW changes to A330 in the summer months and PIT-CDG comes back in the summer with 762.

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5741 times:
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Is US really planning on running PHL-SNN and PHL-DUB as separate routes? Or do you mean that they'll do PHL-SNN-DUB and/or PHL-DUB-SNN like other US majors (for instance, Delta ATL-SNN-DUB/ATL-DUB-SNN)?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5695 times:

All flights to Dublin have to stop in Shannon, also.

N


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3396 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5641 times:

However, it does sound like the Ireland flts will be 2 separate flts, 1 to Dublin and 1 to Shannon. However i am not sure, no one has really confirmed it.

Anyone see how Aer Lingus is combating this proposed route by US, stating that Aer Lingus only has limited access to US airports, only LAX, NYC, BOS, and i think 1 other city, and this will give US an unfair edge. I guess this means Aer Lingus would like to start more routes to the US, but can't. Also if they only have access to 4 cities, then how do they fly to BWI, because i know BWI is not 1 of the 4 cities.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5597 times:

I should add that 767's are flown between PHL, PIT, and CLT on a daily basis...

Greg



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User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

A note about the future:

Look for the A330s to disappear after U emerges from BK. U is not at all impressed with the product support from airbus and has found (not suprisingly) that a small wide-body fleet offers rather poor economies of scale.

The plan? According to some buddies I have in CLT Heavy maintenance, U is looking at 13 767-300ERs Asiana (I think) has parked in the desert. They have the same engines as the 767-200ERs operated by U currently and enjoy better parts commonality than do the A330s/320s/321s and 319s.

All this will happen, of course, if U ever gets out of BK!  Smile


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

What parts commonality will these 767s have with the A320s/321s and 319s at all?

My guess is the A330s have a 100% parts commonality (  Wink/being sarcastic ) and that there's a higher degree of it with their narrowbody fleet now than if they switch to 767s.

I've heard exactly the opposite - and that's to plan for US to have an all Airbus fleet after the bankruptcy, and that plan seems to be more plausible.

N


User currently offlineCVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

USAirways also runs a 767 into Nassau daily from CLT, but is this only during the winter season?

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5534 times:
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A rumor in another thread has CO actively looking for B-767-300's for their international ops that can't support a 777, but need more than a 762.

Any word on where US stands on getting these birds from OZ? Does anyone know if CO has talked to OZ about these same aircraft?



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3396 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5533 times:

i was not aware of US flying the 767 between NAS-CLT, however it is only during the winter months, come March it is downgraded to a 757

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9741 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

When I went to the Caribbean back in 1999 I went via CDG. While taxiing to the gate I saw 8 B767-200ER's of US Airways parked there at the gates. This surprised me, but I didn't know much about US flights to CDG back than, so maybe it was/is normal. Does US Airways still have a strong presence in CDG?

Regards,

A388


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3396 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

We are talking about Paris right??? Are you sure. US' European current operations are about as big as they ever were, and right now US only has 1 330 to CDG a day from PHL. A short time ago i believe they had 1 330 from PHL and 1 767 from CLT as well as 1 767 from PIT, but the PIT and CLT flts were part of the big flt cuts that took place in Nov. But i know for a fact that CDG never saw more than 3 flts from US. If you saw 8 US 767's that would mean about 75% of their 767 fleet would be in CDG at the time

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

EA CO AS-

Wouldn't they just allocate the 764 on these routes requiring more than a 762 but less than a 777?

N


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5476 times:
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They could, save for the fact that:

1. The 764 doesn't have the range the 763 does.

2. While the 762 may not have enough capacity, the 764 (if it had the legs to do the runs CO may have in mind) would have too much capacity, meaning money out the window.




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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

US Airways operated CLT-CDG and PIT-CDG. The CLT-CDG flight was axed in the immediate aftermath of 09/11/01 and the PIT-CDG returned, I believe, for seasonal service in the summer of 2002 but has been cut again.

ContinentalEWR


25 Scootertrash : Gigneil: Actually, the A330's have suprisingly little parts commonality with narrow body Airbus fleet... I was very suprised to find how little there
26 Gigneil : I think it'd be disasterous for US to get rid of the A330s... as mentioned, passengers love them, and it gives them an edge. Air Canada operates A330s
27 Captaink : I recently started working US Airways flights.. And in my month training i did get the picture that US Airways loves their Airbus A330.. In fact every
28 Post contains images Gigneil : If US ever were to launch a Pacific route, I'd venture they'd go for the A340, but until then, the 333 has respectable and the 332 amazingly good rang
29 Scootertrash : The customer service folks do indeed like the A330s. I like them too, from passenger standpoint. PHL-FCO in F was sweeeeet! However, just ask any U me
30 Gigneil : Heh I find it entertaining that every conversation had about mechanics and Airbus planes, at every airline apparently, the mechanics hate the Airbus.
31 Lear777 : Starting in March USAirways will be flying 767s on PHL-Nassau/Cancun/Orlando. This is what the US widebody schedule will look like in March '03 (outbo
32 Usairways85 : you forgot MAN as a A330 city for PHL Nice to hear the 767 will be flying to Cancun and Nassau from PHL
33 Donder10 : PIT-CDG-PIT is done by a 762(I guess summer only)
34 Post contains links Lindy : Hi All, This is current list of 11 B767s in posesion of US: 23897 173 B767-201(ER) N645US 23898 175 B767-201(ER) N646US 23899 182 B767-201(ER) N647US
35 Gigneil : Who was Boeing customer code 01? Piedmont? N
36 Lindy : Yes, Piedmont was aquired with its 767-201's Rafal
37 Tom_eddf : I visited my friend working for US yesterday and asked her once again whether there are any plans to drop the A330, and she definitely said "no" or at
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