Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3304 posts, RR: 7 Posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2898 times:
Ok, now i am pretty sure i remember when US filed for ch. 11 several months ago that part of there business plan was to obviously cut the number of flts, but also to focus more on their hubs, PHL, PIT, CLT, and decrease the number of point-point service. I also know how important BOS, LGA, and DCA are for them and some of their routes are very profitable.
However what i am not understanding is the carribean flts from LGA, DCA, and now from BOS. Now, the flts from LGA and DCA are the only available flts to the Carribean from those airports but are they really that profitable??? Also why is US trying to start Carribean service at BOS? AA already has a decent hold on that market with A300 and comparable aircraft flying between SJU-BOS, while US will have 2x weekly A320's. Is it really worth US to fly these routes, or should they just use the aircraft to increase their Carribean operation at CLT and PHL???
Scootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2839 times:
There are two other important reasons for the increase in Caribbean flying:
1) Aircraft utilization: Using airplanes on the weekend only island flights increases utilization on days that typically saw little flying. Flying airplanes = revenue... non-flying airplanes = expensive billboards.
2) Frequent Flyer Award programs: Much of the Caribbean flying is geared to FF award travel, as well as the package vacation market. The intent is to attract more premium business travel by adding more enticing awards to the FF program.
Whlinder From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2825 times:
This is a decent strategy for US. When TWA was absorbed by AA it was the number 2 US-caribbean carrier (IIRC), raising fares and giving the airlines more pricing power in the Carib. No low-cost competitors (except B6 to SJU) and a way remove capacity from its domestic network without parking more aircraft are also positive aspects of this strategy. Plus UA's biggest weakness in terms of a mileage program is the lack of Caribbean service (I think they fly IAD/ORD-STT-SJU-IAD/ORD once a week) will give US plenty of UA FFers trying to burn their miles to the Carib.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3304 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2800 times:
Yes UA does lack presence in the carribean and i guess UA paxs have more of an opportunity from these extra gateways to connect to a US flt flying to the carribean.
However the last thing US needs right now, is for UA ff's who earned their miles paying for a ticket on UA flts, to get a free ride on a US flt. US needs UA's pax to pay for their tickets on US but earn ff miles while doing it.
UAL1837 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2788 times:
United does lack in service to the Caribbean, but they are BIG in flights to Hawaii, which is a HUGE frequent flier destination. They are actually the #1 carrier to the islands. They fly the 747-400, 777, 767-300, and 757 there. They don't fly there from as many US cities as other carriers, but as far as traffic goes, they carry far more people to Hawaii than anyone else, including Hawaiian Air.
United's Hawaii routes include:
Denver to Honolulu & Kona,
Los Angeles to Honolulu, Kona, Maui, Lihue
San Francisco to Honolulu, Kona, Maui, Lihue
Tokyo/Narita to Honolulu
Considering starting service to Honolulu from Osaka/Kansai, as well as a possible restart of Chicago-Honolulu.
After 9/11, many more people started flying to Hawaii instead of overseas destinations (not wanting to travel international), and United has ramped up service to the islands, they actually have more Hawaii flights now than they did before 9/11.