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Who Flew All The 1st Generation Widebodies?  
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Hi folks, and Happy New Year to one & all....
My question/trivial topic for today is what carriers flew all 4 of the first generation widebodies. The 747, DC-10, L-1011 & A300. Altho not all at the same time...Pan Am & Eastern are the only two airlines that I know of. Anyone please feel free to add to this short list. Remember, they didn't have to flown all 4 types at the same time in their fleet. Best regards, and be careful out there tonight, folks.  Wink/being sarcastic


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User currently offlineCaptain.md-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Iberia is another, although their L1011's did not last long as far as I know.


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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Air France

Andy

(now I need to add this rubbish to make my post long enough!!!)


User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 907 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Air Afrique

Regards...



User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Delta:

A310, DC-10

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B741, L1011

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If you count the A310 as first generation, then Delta did:


User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Fritzi,

Thanks for adding the Delta photos. We don't see much of delta here at YVR, and there are some airlines that just don't seem to suit a 747. I think it's because some airlines have so many of them that you just come to expect it and then you see a photo like that old Delta 747. I thought the same when I saw a picture of an old American 747.



User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

Who did?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I did  Big thumbs up I seriously did... I fly them quite often these days but not really the first generation ones like the A300B2. I just got off a TG A300-600 a few hours ago... and flew CX's TriStars before and 747s on various carriers before and DC10 on American and MAS long time ago.. (my dad said so... hehe)

User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

SAS just misses by an L-1011. I don't suppose they ever leased one.


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User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

SAS just misses by an L-1011.

That was funny!


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

You know, I was thinking today.

Delta's really had it good in all the mergers and acquisitions and failed airlines.

They got all of Pan Am transatlantic, all of Eastern really, and all of Western as well.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

That DC-10 above wasn't one of DL's originally ordered ones... but DL was the only US airline to order and operate simultaneously the 741, L10, and D10 I believe, even if only briefly.

They never operated the "original" A300 series. They only operated some acquired A312s and 313s. But I agree that could count.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy But that means we should also count the 762, as well.  Big grin

N


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2189 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Continental almost did. They operated DC-10s, A300s, and 747s. They almost operated some of Eastern's old L1011s, but that deal never went through to my knowledge.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Well if you count the current Air Canada, that is all the airlines that have merged over the years to make up todays AC then they would be included

Air Canada: 741, L1011
Canadian: DC-10
CPair, 742, DC-10
Wardair: 741, 742, DC-10, A300, A310

 Smile



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User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

I had no idea air france or air afrique operated the l-1011


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1494 times:


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It was a wet lease from Air Transat.

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User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 907 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

I had no idea air france or air afrique operated the l-1011

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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13508 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1455 times:
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Technically, Eastern Air Lines and Pan American World Airways (Pan Am I) are the only carriers to operate all the first-generation widebodies:

Eastern Air Lines

B-747 (leased from PA, although they had their own orders)
L-1011 (launch customer)
A-300 (North American launch customer)
DC-10 (purchased from AZ)

Pan American World Airways

B-747 (launch customer)
L-1011 (-500 long range series)
A-300
DC-10 (acquired in purchase of NA)



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13508 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1450 times:
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By the way, DL and UA come REALLY close:

Delta Air Lines:

B-747
L-1011
DC-10 (acquired in purchase of WA)
A-310 (acquired in purchase of PA)


United Airlines:

B-747
DC-10
L-1011 (-500 long-range series, acquired in purchase of PA's Pacific ops)



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

DL did fly several of their own DC-10s, that they purchased, flew, sold to United, leased back, and flew.

N


User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

How loose can we make this

"British Caledonian" flew the 747, DC10 and A310, albeit that "Caledonian" flew the L1011



L1011 - P F M
User currently offlineTodareisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1413 times:

When and for how long did DL use 747s?


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User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2533 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Dl operated 5 747-132 between Sept 70 and April 77.

User currently onlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1280 times:
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Have to agree with EA CO AS on this one.

Pan Am and Eastern are, as far as I know, the only airlines that have operated the B747/DC-10/L1011/A300B.

Others mentioned such as Air France, Air Afrique and Iberia had at least one of the above types operated by another carrier on their behalf by another airline, as such these aircraft were never part of the airline's fleet. In the late 1980s BA wet-leased in an ATA B727 with British Airways titles, does that mean that British Airways ever operated the B727? Of course it doesn't!

Another such example of an airline that almost had all 4 would be Caledonian Airways, which used all 4 types in their livery. However the A300 was operated by Air Scandic on their behalf in 1998 and 1999 for extra summer capacity.

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CROSSWIND...

And Happy New Year!


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