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Delta Summer 2003 Transatlantic Tweaks  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4898 posts, RR: 25
Posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2531 times:
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Delta has made additional tweaks to the summer transatlantic schedule. Latest changes include:

DL 70 ATL-FCO goes from 763 to 777
DL 28 ATL-CDG (2nd flight) goes from M11/777 to 763

No indication in their schedules that any of the double daily ATL-Europe flights (AMS, MUC. ZRH, MXP) mapped out in the IATA scheduling conferences will be operating.

MD11s will continue on DL 12 ATL-LGW until July 1 and then switch to a 763; and on DL 64 ATL-MAN until July 31 and then switch to a 763. Looks like MAN will be the last European city to see Delta MD11 service.

Here's a summary of the summer 2003 transatlantic flights:

From ATL:
DL 8 LGW 763
DL 10 LGW 763
DL 12 LGW 763 (switches from M11 to 763 on Jul 2)
DL 58 LGW 777
DL 20 FRA 777 (switches from 763 to 777 on Apr 15)
DL 14 FRA 763
DL130 MUC 763
DL116 STR 763
DL 38 AMS 763
DL124 BRU 763
DL 66 ZRH 763
DL128 SNN/DUB 763
DL 70 FCO 777 (switches from M11 to 777 on Apr 15)
DL 74 MXP 763
DL108 MAD 763
DL152 BCN 763 (seasonal nonstop resumes May 1)

From JFK:
DL 16 CDG 763 (switches from 777 to 763 on Apr 14)
DL118 CDG 763 (switches from M11 to 763 on Mar 2)
DL 82 NCE 763
DL148 FCO 763
DL154 VCE 763
DL 84 MXP 763
DL126 MAD 763
DL 94 BCN 763 (seasonal nonstop resumes Apr 15)
DL106 FRA 763
DL 80 AMS 763
DL140 BRU 763
DL132 ATH 763
DL 72 IST 763
DL 30 SVO 763

From CVG:
DL 36 LGW 763 (switches from M11 to 763 on Apr 15)
DL 48 FRA 777 (switches from 763 to 777 on Apr 15)
DL 44 CDG 777
DL 32 FCO 763 (resumes May 1)

From BOS:
DL114 FCO 763 (new seasonal nonstop starts May 1)

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User currently offlineDutchdeltadude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

... that any of the double daily ATL-Europe flights (AMS, MUC, ZRH, MXP) mapped out in the IATA scheduling conferences will be operating

Can you explain this further please? Where there plans to start flying from ATL to AMS twice a day? Thanks!


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Thanks for the information about Delta by the international transatlantic flight. I've do like with triple B777 aircraft for myself.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

At least LGW gets 1 772.Surprised at so many 763s coming in too though.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Dutchdeltadude,

Delta has requested slots for a twice daily AMS service starting in April. They currently applied for (and received) the following slots at AMS :

Arrival in AMS from
ATL DL038 daily 763 (195 seats) 08:30 CET
ATL DL040 daily 763 (195 seats) 11:35 CET
JFK DL080 daily 763 (195 seats) 08:00 CET

Departure AMS to
ATL DL039 daily 763 (195 seats) 10:20 CET
ATL DL041 daily 763 (195 seats) 13:40 CET
JFK DL081 daily 763 (195 seats) 11:15 CET

DL040/41 would be the new service. However this is all subject to change.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3402 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Interesting to see that JFK will not see any 777's from accross the pond

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

The odd thing about this schedule is that by mid-summer only 5 777's will be in use. DL has 8 777's, so where are the other three. I guess you could figure one to be in maintenance/spare, but that still leaves two unaccounted for 777's. I hope DL isn't going to waste two 777's flying MCO-ATL all day long.

I have a feeling that most of the new flights that DL requested at the IATA conference will never come to fruition.


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Will ZRH get a second ATL service next summer or not?

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

I'm not surprised their switching/increasing services to FCO/MXP...rumour has it Delta has been very happy with their SkyTeam partner Alitalia.

Glad to see some increased services to Italy.

-G



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

There are 6 777's in the sked CVG FRA & CDG ATL FCO - LGW- FRA-CDG.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

That makes more sense, Papatango. I just realized that Panamair left out ATL-CDG from his list.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24928 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

When will the MAN-ATL service return to MD-11 ops, as the service is currently back onto the 777 again.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

The other 777s will undoubtedly fly to Tokyo, after the end of the M11s.

Its surprising the amount of capacity reduction they're doing on some routes. The M11 is roughly the same size as the 777, some routes are going from a 777 and an M11 to two 767s.

N


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

A little disappointing to see that DUB/SNN lose the 777; actually I was surprised we got it in the first place! Anyway, part of the problem with the Irish operation was the cost of having to fly to SNN as well. Hopefully that will be rectified by next year and we might get JFK back, possibly even BOS as well, as there's obviously a strong Irish market there.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Now that election year is out of the way the SNN stop should be dropped immediately.
Will CDG be double daily from ATL?


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Delta will need 2 or 3 777's to operate the ATL-NRT service, once the MD11 is withdrawn from service. With that and the Atlantic-positioned 777's, all of the Delta 777 fleet is accounted for. It's a real shame Delta didn't acquire more of the triple 777's. Not likely to do so anytime soon either.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Im sure in a couple of months, United's creditors will be glad to sell some of UA's 777's. Maybe Delta could pick up a good number of them for a steal.


Solodude!
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

Heh oh you're sure of that, are you?  Yeah sure

Nobody's in any condition to pick up anything, really.

If DL needed the extra capacity, they wouldn't be retiring the M11s.

Sad, true.

N


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Can 772s be re-engined efficiently?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1978 times:

Heh would you think DL would re-engine their RR ones, or the incoming PW ones?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

DL is a big mixer. They fly PW and GE 767s all over the place.

N


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

BA's 772s fleet is mixed with GE+RR engines.The RR ones have the greater range.

User currently offlineDutchdeltadude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

LJ, Thanks for the information. I hope the second daily ATL-AMS-ATL flight will become reality soon, DL038 and DL039 are almost always completely booked and since my travel is mostly last minute, that very inconvenient  Smile

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

I doubt Delta is interested in any of the 777s that UAL is likely to have on the market.

I understand that it would be less expensive for Delta to order brand new 777-232ERs than to acquire UAL aircraft and refurbish them to Delta standards. There's also the engine issue. The PW is the least preferred of the three available powerplants on the B777.



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Leo has said that there will be no more large capital projects until 2005.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

The PW is the least preferred?

Actually, the GE is the least preferred, and I think by a long shot. The PW and RR each have much bigger shares.

N


25 Airplanetire : This is just my guess, as I am no business expert or even know a whole lot about it at all, but all of these MD-11/777 switches to 763s could be a goo
26 Jrlander : Just conjecture.... but if UAL does go belly-up, there will be about 60 767-300ER's available really cheap.... That would be an easy way for Delta to
27 ContinentalEWR : United does not operate 60 767-300ER's. They have around 29 or 30. Maybe more, but definitely not 60. ContinentalEWR
28 Papatango : With only 6 of Delta's 777's flying transatlantic next summer-- where are the other 2?
29 SESGDL : Probably in maintenance or flying to Florida. Jeremy
30 Gigneil : TOKYO. Heh read above posts people. It'll take 2 to fly the Tokyo route. Forgive me, I'm apparently a little bitchy today. N
31 ConcordeBoy : The PW is the least preferred? Actually, the GE is the least preferred, and I think by a long shot. The PW and RR each have much bigger shares. You're
32 Gigneil : I wasn't talking about necessarily which engine is best... clearly, the all new GE-90 is the technology leader. I was talking market share. More peopl
33 SESGDL : Gigneil, NO! DL is keeping the MD-11 to Tokyo until 2004. Jeremy
34 Gigneil : Hmm, really? That wouldn't make much sense really. To ground all but two of the aircraft? Kinda kills the point of grounding them to begin with. N
35 Strickerje : Well, grounding all but two of a type of aircraft isn't like introducing only two of a type of aircraft in that no new parts have to be introduced and
36 DeltAirlines : The current NRT MD-11s have aux fuel tanks...these will be around until the 777s can take over. The Atlantic MD-11s will go first. Jeff
37 GKirk : So are DL going double daily to MAN with 763 as has been rumoured, or sticking to the 777 on the route as present?
38 Post contains images Airplanetire : Do different DL MD-11s fly to Europe than fly to NRT? I ask because both of the Delta MD-11s that I have flown (N804DE and N813DE) can be seen in pict
39 Papatango : What is the word on the proposed CVG_MXP flight?
40 Mikeymike : There are two different configured DL MD-11's The M11 and the M1P. The M1P's were created to fly the 13-14 hour ATL-NRT directs. They have a 258 pax c
41 Panamair : The number of 777s flying transatlantic for summer 03 are the same as last sunmer -6 even though they have a total of 8 a/c. This past summer, the 777
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