YWG From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 1143 posts, RR: 2 Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1385 times:
This has been bugging me for quite a while. I see them everytime I show up at the terminal here in Winnipeg and when I travel Canada and beyond.
But anyways, not only do these people look completely: Dumb, Stoned, Drunk or immature, but that haven't a clue of whats really going on. For example, while going thru domestic security, a screener took my camcorder to see if it was on, she looked thru the lense (The wrong end) when clearly the eye peice pertruded above the camera, and she wasn't even a blonde.
Wow, you should see their faces when they search my bag. I have a:
-my note pad with all of this aircraft data, including flight levels and registrations.
To start, they always go for the scanner, looks very complicated so that confuses them alot, I always make sure when they turn it on, that it will only scan crap freq's which have no one talking on them.
Then there's the camera's.....They must think a 15 year old with over $2500 worth of lenses and electrical equipment in his carry on is up to something.
Lastly, I usualy travel contingent with my family links in the airlines. So in big letters on my boarding pass is "STAND BY". And as usual, employee's are always trying to sabotage a/c so why not search them more, I might be hiding a safety pin underneath my belt, or a pecil in my shoe.
What I'm trying to get at is that I believe screener's should be eduacated just a bit, and not just hired off the street. If I weren't in school, they would hire me! Would you trust a 15 year old screen pax on a multi million dollar airplane? I sure wouldn't feel safe.
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USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53 Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
Are Canada's screeners private or government? In the US we made the switch to government screeners a few months ago and now they are much more professional and efficient compared to the private screeners...e
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CcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2212 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1344 times:
When I went through screening at ORD I had my SLR camera and some other stuff with this filmsafe bag with film (just in case if they screened it with that big scanner). When the guy searches my bag he picks up the filmsafe bag and holds it and says "This is heavy" and looked at it strangely. It's like he didn't know what it(or what was in it) was until after he took the film out of it. I think they need to tell them about how people carry these around sometimes for film protection but I hope the government screeners will do better than the other ones.
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Venuscat2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 478 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1337 times:
At GRR last week I was busy getting wanded, but I believe that they took my bag out of the x-ray maching and opened it up (probably because of the scanner), but just put it back in again and I got everything without any problems. When I was randomly selected at the gate they just pulled it out and didn't even mention anything.
At ELP on my way back they didn't even seem to notice it, or see it has a threat as my bag just came out the other end.
Cody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1924 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1324 times:
Coming through security in CLE a few weeks back, a co-worker of mine (we were all wearing uniforms) set the metal detector off. This girl has been flying for thirty years and some of these TSA screeners were on about their second day. Anyway when she set it off, a screener came forward and yelled "STOP! SIT! TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF!" I guess some people are just on a power trip or something, but as the screener was wanding my friend, another TSA Agent set off the detector and nobody stopped him. We asked why he didn't have to get wanded and we got some response like "BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO!" Then at another airport the other day, a gentleman was being wanded by the TSA and his son was waiting patiently about ten feet away when a TSA agent came over to him and said, "you need to stand over there...." The boy moved about ten feet away and the agent said, "no no there, there" and pointed to the floor about 6 inches away from where the boy was standing........like it made a big difference. I tell you, give some people a uniform and suddenly they are in charge of the world.
Demoose From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
Give the guys a break they are just doing their job, it's been like this for years in the UK. Its reasurring to know that these checks are in place and that they actually do what they are paid for. I've been stopped and had my bag searched, probably cos i had my digital camera and all that in my bag. If the airport screeners are like the ones in the UK, they probably have a system where they are required to search every one in 10 bags that go thru the x-ray system, which is increased or decreased according to the current terrorist threat - thats what a screener told me at MAN. They are just random checks so don't be suprised if they check you at one airport and not the other. I noticed much heavier security after the Ariana Hi-jacking at Stansted and then after Sept 11th.
Lhstr From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 226 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1196 times:
The whole screening process is now at a point where it is just stupid.
@ USAFHummer: You must be kidding. Since the screeners are on the government payroll it has become even worse in the US. Most of the screeners are incompetent with low morales. Mix that with a bad attitude and you have your perfect Airport screener.
I am not looking forward to when they have the new checked baggage checks in place. This is going to be another pain in the *** with long, long lines at the airports.
Good thing I get around most of them by using the elite lines.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1888 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1188 times:
I still have yet to figure out how I book my tickets three months in advance for Spring Break and get the whole nine yards yet for a job interview a few weeks ago I bought the tickets less than 24 hours before the flight and all they asked for was my drivers license.....go figure?
AvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1182 times:
Posted 2003-01-01 16:15:37 and read 22 times.
I didn't know that screeners in canada were federal employees does anyone have any news links to this happening. "
To my knowledge they are all still contract in Canada, only in the states did they become "feds". Also federalized or not, the lack of consistency between airport screeners has always bothered me somewhat, the drill always seems to be different no matter where you go in Canada or the US.
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Demoose From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 25 Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1179 times:
The reason your sick or "upset" about it is because in the past boarding a flight in the US has been like getting on a bus. You can't have it like that in todays world unfortunately. In time it will calm down, and I suppose screeners will drop the attitude as the novelty wears off for them but just get used to the checks, they won't go away and what harm is it doing? None.
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53 Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1168 times:
In my experiences with the TSA screeners compared the the private screeners, Ive found them to far more competent, capable, friendly and helpful...thats just my experience at a few airports, none of which have been mentioned here...I see from your profile that you live in Germany, do you come visit the US often and thus have to go through TSA security regularly? If not, then you are probably speaking on the basis of 1 or 2 incidents that you had where you got hassled a little...give em a chance...
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Caribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1630 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1164 times:
I travel with some regularity over Canada (YUL, YYZ, YVR, YQG) , the USA (LGA, EWR, MIA, TPA, GRR, DTW, ORD, CVG, PIT, ATL, BOS) the Caribbean (BGI, VRA) and to Europe (AMS, LHR, CDG) and no where have I come into greater security checks than at Grand Rapids (GRR). At least on leaving the airport. I've had clothes removed off me there. They've found small nail clippers and an eye glass screw driver in the heart of my luggage where they were inside a side pocket of a shaving kit bag.. Each time there were two armed Marine Guards standing by watching over the procedures. I'm not sure if an airport that size especially with a foreign link (to Toronto in my case) is more closely watched than say a similar airport more centrally located in the USA and without international routes. Maybe they suspect it could be an easier way to enter the USA undetected than through a major hub.
On one occasion I arrived to see those Marines discussing luggage with a older couple who looked confused and anxious to get on with their trip. I went through security and to my gate.. waited about 20 minutes and suddenly saw loads of people heading back towards the security exit. An annoucement came on shortly that everyone had to redo the security check.. The line ups were incredible as everyone checked had to be rechecked and new passengers departing were also lining up for their first check.. It's not a large airport but large enough to make this a "organized mess". People were concerned but polite and understanding. Apparantly someone got through security with a knife and the wrong couple were pulled over for questioning, the older couple I saw I presume. I later over heard a flight attendant say it was a young guy who got through with a knife so how security mixed an older couple for some young guy I do not know.
The thing that concerned me is that there is a main entrance and exit to security at GRR. We went out through the exit and back around into the entrance of course. The only person guarding the exit was a man who looked about 80 years old. With all due respect to older people and their need to keep healthy active lives past retirement I swear anyone could have said "boo" to him and he would have fallen over.. he was barely staying awake watching us and had trouble hearing what people were saying to him.. He was hardly a front line defence for the security exit while two strong muscled Marines in their mid to late 20s were guarding the other side of the security barrier separated by a solid wall... the logic here escaped me.. if there were determined terrorists they could blow past the retiree and easily ambush the marines.. and it was the Marines the kid with the knife got past.. so where does that leave us?
In Canada it's not much better. At Toronto (YYZ) too I find security tight some days and too lax others. The US side though was very strict. Montreal (YUL) and Vancouver (YVR) seem consistant but I too find the quality of personnel to be too leniant and in some cases unprofessional. They also carry out their checks in a manner that holds people up and I hear in Montreal's case airlines have complained that passengers often cannot get from the check in counter to the gate in time because of security delays. On the domestic side there is less space to isolate people for more intense screening than on the transborder side. International security checks at Dorval have always run smooth but never very thorough compared to other cities.
So it's a difficult task and short of stripping us all naked and sending our luggage on another plane behind us there probably isn't a method that would give us 100% security everything and everyone going on the plane will be clear. However more professional screeners like they are doing in the US would be a start and better organization dealing with people earmarked for a higher level of screening than the rest of us.
Venuscat2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 478 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1052 times:
I agree with the comments about the security checks at GRR. I live in Grand Rapids and have been part of these checks myself.
I assume that you are refering to the entrance and exit at concourse B. I noticed this as well, and I'm not quite sure what they're thinking. Maybe someone should mention this to the airport administration or the TSA. Concourse A doesn't seem to be as much of a concern as the entrance and exit are right next to each other, rather than separated by a bank of ATMs as they are at concourse B.
Caribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1630 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1030 times:
Venuscat2 - If you are referring to my post I don't recall which Concourse it was by letter. It's the one to the left of the central magazine store if you are facing the windows in front of the store.. presumably "B". The two halls face the open area side by side. The elder security guard was the only person watching the exit while the Marines were guarding over the entrance to the right of it. In any case the exit seem vulnerable to me and despite heavy security with Marine guards it's apparant it's open to human error given the security breech I experienced that day.
Aviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1026 times:
For example, while going thru domestic security, a screener took my camcorder to see if it was on, she looked thru the lense (The wrong end) when clearly the eye peice pertruded above the camera, and she wasn't even a blonde.
What is so bloody stupid about a screener doing this?
For all the screener knows you could be a drug trafficker, and are using the lens of a non-working camcorder to smuggle heroine, cocaine, XTC or other drugs.
And we all know that airline employees, and families of airline employees have NEVER smuggled drugs!
Maybe it is YOU, and not the screeners, who seems to be a moron, and need to be educated somewhat?
Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2095 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1014 times:
Let's not take a piss on these poor saps. They have to suffer the public, so you have to suffer them, in return.
But l think that this increase in security is window dressing. Here's why:
If I was a terrorist planning a strike, I would forget about the hijack approach. Too difficult now. For that, they need to wait until all this dies down, in 7 to 10 years. That one they have put on the back burner for now.
From my experience working for a major airline, I can tell you that 9/11 can happen all over again at many airports. Rather than hijacking a flight, all one needs to do is hijack an empty plane. And to do that all one needs to do is recruit another Mohammed Atta from the tens of thousands of ramp workers and mechanics working at airports all over the US.
Then all that is needed is to put stairs up to any one of many empty aircraft not in service, sitting on the tarmac, start up the APU, the engines, and then taxi like a mad man for the nearest runway. By the time the tower realizes what's going on, you are already down the runway and aloft. Nobody to stop you anywhere along the way.
Then, say this was Chicago, I want to destroy the Sears Tower, it would be about a 3 minute flight right into downtown Chicage from O'Hare.
That scenario can be carried out at any time.
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AA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1008 times:
While I have heard of TSA people being rude or on a power trip, I have had no problems with them and they seem to be very consistent. However, I just heard that we are back to each airport being able to determine the standards for their security. Great! Now it's take your shoes off in OMA and your belt in MSY.TC
Cloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1006 times:
In the USA, the screeners aren't the morons.
Their bosses who make the stupid rules they must follow are the morons.
So is Congress...their are a ton of people their who think giving someone a federal badge and making it near impossible to fire him somehow promotes competence.
But scratch that. The real morons are the demagogs and the knee-jerk voters they control. They are the ones who pushed congress into doing this.
One question though, regarding the aforementioned possibility of illegal drugs, etc. Suppose something is discovered durring screening which is indeed illegal but not for security reasons. Like illegal drugs, banned agricultural goods, or even pirated music. Can you be charged with the stuff? Seems to me there could be legal problems with that. Normally, blanket or even random searches and seizures are not allowed in the US - there has to be some probable cause or suspicion. It doesnt have to be much, but it has to be there. Of course, airline security has convinced the courts to allow an exception in this case - they have some common sense. But would whatever terms this exemption was given under prevent you from being charged with say, carrying a Cuban cigar into the US, etc. if it was discovered in a security search?
25 B727-200: After going through the US a couple of times two years ago (pre 9/11), I was amazed at how relaxed the screening was. It was no where near as stringe
26 Lhstr: USAFHummer wrote: "In my experiences with the TSA screeners compared the the private screeners, Ive found them to far more competent, capable, friendl
27 Jwenting: If you keep treating them like complete idiots on a powertrip, they'll keep treating you like criminals who have every intent on blowing up the airpor