717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 7 Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4315 times:
I have heard that SAS is planning to add 8 more MD-90's to its fleet...Can anyone confirm that? Does it makes sense to operate the MD-90, the 738 and the A321 in the same fleet? I am wondering what SAS is planning for its mixed fleet in the future.
FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3981 times:
"New" MD-90's for SAS have been on and off the agenda for almost a year.The 90's in question are 5x ex Reno and 3x ex Egyptian operated machines.
There has been a controversy about "life-limited" component serial numbers amongst other things;what's stated in the documentation does not correlate to the parts actually in the planes.There might have been a mix-up at the factory.Minor mods to bring the planes up to full SAS config. has also been discussed.
SAS at presently operate 8x MD-90's with great satisfaction.They are operated by a small group of MD-80 pilots as the number of planes are too small to operate with the whole MD-80 pilot group.This makes for some uneconomical crew rostering,as well as making the MD-90 fairly uneconomical to operate within SAS.At least 15 plane fleet of a type is regarded as the minimum amount to achieve profits.
The deal with Boeing is to deliver MD-80's on a 2-for-1 basis,the first MD-80's having been placed in storage for this deal,which is now set for this spring with the additional 90's entering service with the summer schedules.
The additional 90's mean that all SAS MD-80 pilots will check out on the 90.The MD-80/90 fleet in SAS is not now going to be phased out until 2010-2015 period,at least.
In the meantime,efforts are going on to get rid of the 737-600 (VERY difficult!),possibly also the 737-700,and have the MD's and these 73's replaced by more Airbus 32x's.But that's "far into the future" (5-10 years) as my friend,an engineer with our (SAS) technical dep't. said.He's deeply involved with this deal.
Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 17 Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3827 times:
I have also heard about the MD-80/MD-90 deal and a few months ago I heard from a person at SK that the last MD-80 will be retired from service in 2015.
It has been probably been 3 years since I first heard the rumor that the 736 would maybe be replaced by an increased order for the A32S.
I see two problems with this though and that is the capacity of the 737-600 aircraft (73G is very unimportant as they only have something like seven frames on routes within Norway) which can not be replaced by an Airbus efficiently. The A318 will for sure have the same lousy characteristics as the Boeings and if they go for the larger A319 then they loose the smaller capacity plane that the 736 was intended to be. This would mena that SK would have to add another aircraft family to it's MD-80/MD-90, 737NG and A321 fleet.
Another factor already mentioned is where to put the planes taken out of the fleet? The 736 does not sell like hot cakes. SAS has the majority of the 737-600's built in it's fleet and it will be very hard to flood the market with an aircraft that isn't a bestseller anyways. The airline invested too much into building up the fleet to just park them in the desert.
FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3830 times:
TranSwede is right.SAS will deliver 2 -80's to Boeing for each -90 as payment.
This will give SAS a necessary reduction in the overall number of MD-80's,while at the same time make the MD-90 fleet profitable and also eliminate one roster group of pilots which will improve efficiency of crew rostering.
Some MD-80's have already been withdrawn from service and several are stored at Dinant,France in view of the upcoming deal.
The AMC planes are the one's in question.I have not heard about any Air Aruba planes involved with this deal.
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3700 times:
Per Bill Harms' website, all 5 ex-Reno MD-90s are sitting at MJZ, along with the 3 ex-Air Aruba ships. 2 other MD-90s are stored at VCV as well. It'll be interesting to see if these 10 ships will ever make it to the skies again. Regards.
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FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3684 times:
The Reno and AMC planes have the standard (more or less) cockpit which SAS also has.I believe only Saudia operates the "MD-11" variant.
From SAS HQ,Technical,I've been told the 736 is the most expensive plane SAS is operating at the present time.With the type being the most unpopular type to bid for,most of the pilots flying it have been assigned it against their will.That means basically that those flying it are on the lower end of the seniority list,and most of the pilots that have been fired from 1st April this year (2003) fly the 73.When they leave SAS,opportunity will be taken to ground and store many of the 736's.
As for the exact number of MD-80's being operated for the time being,I'm not sure,but it will be in the mid-50's.Discounting the -90's.
FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3524 times:
First of all: SAS LITE will start to operate later this year using 4 MD-80's taken from the SAS fleet.
As for Bill Harm's site,he's referring to ALL the MD-80's having been operated by SAS,excluding 8 ex Swissair machines operated during the latter half of the -90's.SAS Flightops website hasn't been updated for a while either.
At least 6,possibly 8,MD-80's have been withdrawn from ops and are stored at several locations.Both MD-83's are among them.
Godbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 17 Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3475 times:
Last thing I heard is that SAS Lite will operate with a fleet of four 737-800's.
The planes that are leased out to Air One(?) would be part of the SAS Lite fleet. But I guess you have more insight into this matter so I will accept the MD-80 idea.
FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3409 times:
We,MD-80 pilots,have been told we are to fly this production when the routes start up this spring.But there may always be changes/amendments to plans,especially within SAS where there's a cost-cutting program presently running.Plans change continuously.MD-80's are planned as of this moment;1912 GMT!Sorry!UTC!
Sk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3346 times:
When checking the timetable for ARN, these all new routes are stated as flied with B738. But of curse, thinks always could change. I checked may 8th, DUB, Rome, Alicante will all be flewn with B738 due to the timetable.