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SAS To Add 8 More MD-90's?  
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

I have heard that SAS is planning to add 8 more MD-90's to its fleet...Can anyone confirm that? Does it makes sense to operate the MD-90, the 738 and the A321 in the same fleet? I am wondering what SAS is planning for its mixed fleet in the future.

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

They obviously already operate the MD-90, and reportedly are very happy with them.

They can also get them cheap.

The A321 is a larger aircraft than the 738 and MD-90, so may not be a direct competitor in their fleet.

N


User currently offlineCFM-56 From Finland, joined Sep 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

According to Airlinerworld they were evaluating the possibility to sell them or park them, this would be strange if they suddenly changed their mind.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

There have been speculations about SK buying ex-AA or DL M90's for years, so I would not put too much weight in this rumor yet.



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User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

I really doubt it! They have several aircraft parked so why buy more aircraft? Also as TriStar500 say there have been speculations for a long time now and I just think that it's a "delayed" rumor!


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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

"New" MD-90's for SAS have been on and off the agenda for almost a year.The 90's in question are 5x ex Reno and 3x ex Egyptian operated machines.
There has been a controversy about "life-limited" component serial numbers amongst other things;what's stated in the documentation does not correlate to the parts actually in the planes.There might have been a mix-up at the factory.Minor mods to bring the planes up to full SAS config. has also been discussed.
SAS at presently operate 8x MD-90's with great satisfaction.They are operated by a small group of MD-80 pilots as the number of planes are too small to operate with the whole MD-80 pilot group.This makes for some uneconomical crew rostering,as well as making the MD-90 fairly uneconomical to operate within SAS.At least 15 plane fleet of a type is regarded as the minimum amount to achieve profits.
The deal with Boeing is to deliver MD-80's on a 2-for-1 basis,the first MD-80's having been placed in storage for this deal,which is now set for this spring with the additional 90's entering service with the summer schedules.
The additional 90's mean that all SAS MD-80 pilots will check out on the 90.The MD-80/90 fleet in SAS is not now going to be phased out until 2010-2015 period,at least.
In the meantime,efforts are going on to get rid of the 737-600 (VERY difficult!),possibly also the 737-700,and have the MD's and these 73's replaced by more Airbus 32x's.But that's "far into the future" (5-10 years) as my friend,an engineer with our (SAS) technical dep't. said.He's deeply involved with this deal.



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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Has anyone got more details on the current negotiations between LH and SK on proposed wet-lease operations with SK aircraft on behalf of LH?


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User currently offlineCFM-56 From Finland, joined Sep 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

So we might see more MD90s in SAS colours that's nice to see.I hope they'll find someone interested in the 736 but isn't the -700 variant easier to sell?


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2189 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

FBU 4EVER!:

Can you elaborate on the deal with Boeing? You said Boeing is going to deliver MD-80s on a 2-1 basis... do you mean to say MD-90s? Is it 2 MD-80s for a MD-90? Thanks...

Do you have the reg#s for the ex Egyptian machines? I had heard that SAS was going to pick up the three ex Air Aruba machines also.l


User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 998 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

AKelley,

Yes, SAS would be exchanging 2 MD-80's for every MD-90 they would recieve.

The ex- egyptian aircraft in question would be from the airline AMC, and three of the following AMC MD-90's in airliners.net's database are possibly destined for SAS:

SU-BMQ (s/n 53576)
SU-BMR (s/n ?)
SU-BMT (s/n 53601)
SU-BMS (s/n 53553)


User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

FBU 4EVER!,
I have also heard about the MD-80/MD-90 deal and a few months ago I heard from a person at SK that the last MD-80 will be retired from service in 2015.
It has been probably been 3 years since I first heard the rumor that the 736 would maybe be replaced by an increased order for the A32S.
I see two problems with this though and that is the capacity of the 737-600 aircraft (73G is very unimportant as they only have something like seven frames on routes within Norway) which can not be replaced by an Airbus efficiently. The A318 will for sure have the same lousy characteristics as the Boeings and if they go for the larger A319 then they loose the smaller capacity plane that the 736 was intended to be. This would mena that SK would have to add another aircraft family to it's MD-80/MD-90, 737NG and A321 fleet.
Another factor already mentioned is where to put the planes taken out of the fleet? The 736 does not sell like hot cakes. SAS has the majority of the 737-600's built in it's fleet and it will be very hard to flood the market with an aircraft that isn't a bestseller anyways. The airline invested too much into building up the fleet to just park them in the desert.

Max


User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

TranSwede is right.SAS will deliver 2 -80's to Boeing for each -90 as payment.
This will give SAS a necessary reduction in the overall number of MD-80's,while at the same time make the MD-90 fleet profitable and also eliminate one roster group of pilots which will improve efficiency of crew rostering.
Some MD-80's have already been withdrawn from service and several are stored at Dinant,France in view of the upcoming deal.
The AMC planes are the one's in question.I have not heard about any Air Aruba planes involved with this deal.



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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2189 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

TransSwede:

Thanks for your information. FYI: SU-BMT was leased from UNI Air, but was returned sometime last year. It is flying now for UNI as B-17922.

The s/n for SU-BMR is 53552.

FBU 4EVER!:

How many MD-80s does SAS currently operate? Do you know which ones have been/are to be withdrawn from service?

Wasn't there a major issue with the ex Reno aircraft having a different cockpit configuration (EFIS vs. whatever) than the SAS aircraft?


User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Wasn't there a major issue with the ex Reno aircraft having a different cockpit configuration (EFIS vs. whatever) than the SAS aircraft?

I thought that only Saudia had MD-90's with the different cockpit layout. Would be interesting to know if there are more different layouts flying around with the [very small] MD-90 fleet.

Where are the Ex-Reno planes at the moment?

Max


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Per Bill Harms' website, all 5 ex-Reno MD-90s are sitting at MJZ, along with the 3 ex-Air Aruba ships. 2 other MD-90s are stored at VCV as well. It'll be interesting to see if these 10 ships will ever make it to the skies again. Regards.


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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

The Reno and AMC planes have the standard (more or less) cockpit which SAS also has.I believe only Saudia operates the "MD-11" variant.
From SAS HQ,Technical,I've been told the 736 is the most expensive plane SAS is operating at the present time.With the type being the most unpopular type to bid for,most of the pilots flying it have been assigned it against their will.That means basically that those flying it are on the lower end of the seniority list,and most of the pilots that have been fired from 1st April this year (2003) fly the 73.When they leave SAS,opportunity will be taken to ground and store many of the 736's.
As for the exact number of MD-80's being operated for the time being,I'm not sure,but it will be in the mid-50's.Discounting the -90's.



"Luck and superstition wins all the time"!
User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

They might go to "SASLite". Either 737 goes, or MD90.

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Again per Bill Harms' website, I counted 64 MD-80s of various sub-types in SAS fleet. They had 66 different -80s, but 2 have since been written off. Regards.


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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

First of all: SAS LITE will start to operate later this year using 4 MD-80's taken from the SAS fleet.
As for Bill Harm's site,he's referring to ALL the MD-80's having been operated by SAS,excluding 8 ex Swissair machines operated during the latter half of the -90's.SAS Flightops website hasn't been updated for a while either.
At least 6,possibly 8,MD-80's have been withdrawn from ops and are stored at several locations.Both MD-83's are among them.



"Luck and superstition wins all the time"!
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

http://www.airlinerlist.com has a fleetlist which counts all currently in service, and excludes stored and parked ones. By 10 december 2002 SAS had 59 MD-80s and 8 MD-90s in service.


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User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Last thing I heard is that SAS Lite will operate with a fleet of four 737-800's.
The planes that are leased out to Air One(?) would be part of the SAS Lite fleet. But I guess you have more insight into this matter so I will accept the MD-80 idea.

Max


User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3777 times:

We,MD-80 pilots,have been told we are to fly this production when the routes start up this spring.But there may always be changes/amendments to plans,especially within SAS where there's a cost-cutting program presently running.Plans change continuously.MD-80's are planned as of this moment;1912 GMT!Sorry!UTC! Big grin


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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Does anybody knows the exact number of MD-90's SAS will probably buy/lease?
Thanks a lot.


User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

FBU 4EVER,
When checking the timetable for ARN, these all new routes are stated as flied with B738. But of curse, thinks always could change. I checked may 8th, DUB, Rome, Alicante will all be flewn with B738 due to the timetable.


User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

I Loved the MD-90. Fast as heck on T.O.

25 Gigneil : Heh yeah it was a massively powered plane. Same size-ish as the MD-80, but with 28 or 30k pound engines. N
26 717fan : Will they exchange only the MD-81/82 and 83? What about the MD-87?
27 Tango-Bravo : Since the 737-883s of SAS have been mentioned nearly as much as the subject aircraft of this topic... Am I correct in my understanding that SK's 738s
28 Yyz717 : The Jan 6th issue of airwaysnews online reports today that SAS has reached an agreement with Boeing to acquire 8 addl MD-90's (5 ex-Reno Air, 3 ex-AMC
29 FlagshipAZ : Good news for the MD-90s indeed. I didn't think these birds would ever feel the winds beneath their wings again. On the flip side, it'll probably mean
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