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SN's New Codeshares And Planes....  
User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Some 'unofficial' news about SN Brussels Airlines:

*) SN Brussels Airlines is expected to announce several extended codeshare agreements with One World partner airlines early next week....
Some will start as from the summer season (IB) others will take almost immediate effect (BA).

*) The first A319 will arrive in Brussels first week of February and will be used on the current European network as from February 7th to allow the flightcrews to fully familiarize with the new plane. Destinations served would vary on a day to day basis according to the loadfactor, but GVA is certainly one of them... Second plane arrives first week of March and will also immediately be used. 3rd plane will come only one or two days before the start of the new summer timetable on 28th March...

http://www.brusselsairlines.com



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User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2820 times:


x With Iberia we may expect at least a codeshare on the Brussels-Barcelona route. Unclear if Madrid will be included as well.

x Info about early intro of the A319 I can confirm. Already crewshedules made.


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

BA:
The codeshare with British Airways will be a very intensive one: LHR(9x), LGW(2x), BHX(6x) and certainly MAN. I do not know for sure if SN is going to let BA add their flightcode to the 2 other UK routes served exclusively by SN, i.e. BRS and NCL?
Maybe if BA gives some other new destinations in return....

IB:
As far as I know, MAD is going to be served with the A319 by SN itself, but it might very well be in a codeshare with IB. Would make sense too since BIO is already in codeshare and BCN is going to be in a full codeshare too, with IB doing the flights to this later destination...

Seems the rumors are correct, but hardly anybody knows who will be doing what flights...


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

also AZ codeshare in the pipeline I hear...

So it seems that the popualr destinations served 2day 2gether with VEX will be replaced by codeshares with IB en AZ...


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

That would be great news of course, but personally I haven't heared anything about it....

However, as the policy of SN is not to join a global alliance so they can work with all airlines: BA, IB (Oneworld), LOT (Star) CSA and maybe AZ (Skyteam) this could be true.


User currently offlineCom3205 From Vatican City, joined Jul 2001, 69 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Hi Pressclub
Did you hear something about a lowcost comming to EBBR this year (16 planes)?
Greetz


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3030 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Thanks for the news, guys...

Com3205: I heard a rumour (!) about Easyjet (please mind the '!')...

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineCom3205 From Vatican City, joined Jul 2001, 69 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Apuneger I'm not talking about EZY but another lowcost. If it's correct SNBA is going to have some problems. EZY had some talks with BIAC but decided not to come to BRU this year.
Greetz


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2666 times:



Com3205,

BIAC is searching for new clients but they are not so succesful in this attempt. I heard nothing about a low-cost... As you know flying low-cost to a high cost airport is not that easy... and start-up with 16 aircraft never happened in aviation history before. But maybe some airlines from your country - Vatican City I see in your profile - can organise a wonder in Brussels.

 SmilePressclub Smile


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

What about SN's plans for TLV?

I think SN should sign a codeshare with LY on that, just like Sabena used to have.

Mike


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Wow, thanks for the very interesting news!

I'm very glad with the codeshares...

Is IB going to increase capacity on the BRU-BCN flights? At the moment 3 A320's scheduled for this summer I believe...

/Frederic


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

A little bird told me that 'De Morgen' of tommorow will be full with facts and figures about SN Brussels Airlines!!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

Run to your newspapershop tomorrow morning! Big grin

/Frederic


User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2572 times:

And will those facts bring us smiles or headaches?

Regards,

Benjamin



User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3030 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Can't wait for the SN BA 2002 Annual Report. I'm going to do everything I can to get a copy of that. If not, I'll just go and get copies of the one they have at the NBB (unless it's undisclosed)...

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24822 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Rumours about BA taking over some of the UK-Belgium routes, using RJ100 a/c...


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Graham, Newcastle and Bristol are in the pipeline...

Further details about SNBA (source: De Morgen):

x SNBA transported 2.6 million pax during it's first year of existance
x European loadfactor: 48.2%
x African loadfactor: 53.1%  Wow!
x they welcomed less clients than expected (had hoped for a load factor of 49.6% in Europe and 59% in Africa), but the revenues of the pax were better than expected (people payed more for their ticket than expected)
x the flights didn't have much delay on average
x they ask more flexibility from the staff (to be profitable in 2003)
x in the summer-months of 2003, hundreds of flights are going to be scrapped due to low demand
x a capitalinjection is not necessary, following Rob Kuypers
x a war with VEX is expected when the codeshares end in March 2003. VEX is going to open 3 new destinations and stays flying to the actual codeshare destinations with SNBA (which SNBA is also going to serve with codeshares like BCN and MAD, or on their own like Nice)
x codeshare with IB on BRU-BCN and BRU-MAD, also negociations with AZ for BRU-FCO
x codeshare with BA on BRU-NCL and BRU-BRS
x with their own A319's (with the first one joining the fleet the 7th of February 2003), flights to TLV and IST are planned
x SNBA is also negociating with an American carrier (probably AA) for one or more destinations in the US. SNBA has not the intention to do the flights themself, so it will probably be an American plane with the SN codeshare flight number on it

Does anyone know the 3 VEX destinations?

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

ARN (Stockholm) GOT (Gothenburg) CPH (Copenhagen)



User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

some positive sign's, no over ambitious "lets spread Our Wings all over the World" Sabena like cloud riding.

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Photo © Sven De Bevere


However those load factors are a bit concerning. In the end these are the kind of things that really count, not the number of destinations, newest aircraft, best brands as partners, etc ...


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

They are the annual loadfactors, Keesje!

SN started the new year flying around almost empty, after Sabena had stopped flying for over 3 days!

It took a very long time to restore confidence, so +/- 50% is not bad...



User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

And what about the yields?

What are their loadfactors projection for 2003? Are they planning to change majors things or not?

Regards,

Benjamin


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2287 times:



SN Brussels Airlines has decided to add a third daily flight to Toulouse.

Starting from March 30, 2003, our new night stop service will depart Brussels at 8.35 p.m. The return flight will leave Toulouse the following morning at 6.30 a.m.

"Our new schedule offers passengers travelling out of Toulouse the opportunity to conduct a full day of business in Brussels and better connections on the remainder of our European and African network," says Erik Follet, Executive Vice President Network.


User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Thanks for the very usefull information Sabenapilot !

Regards, SN-A330




I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Info from the SN Brussels Airlines booking engine:

Flights from BRU:
0915 SN3667 (AR8)
1445 SN3669 (146)
2035 SN3675 (AR8)

Flights from TLS:
0630 SN3676 (AR8)
1140 SN3668 (AR8)
1700 SN3670 (146)


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

2 Italian destinations will be add starting next summer season...



User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

@ Pressclub : 2 Italian destinations will be add starting next summer season...


Do you know if that is that a codeshare with Alitalia or not ?

Regards, SN-A330




I would rather be flying...
25 Sabena 690 : Yes, I have the same question as SN-A330. Are those two destinations in Italy new destinations, or are they going to codeshare with AZ on two existing
26 Pressclub : Catania and Palermo, not in codeshare
27 Flying Belgian : About TLS, I've noticed they added a night-stop flight. This was much needed since SN can earn a lot of transfering pax through their African network
28 Sabena 690 : Catania is already served by Volare A320, codeshared with AZ, and AZ offers great connections to CTA and PMO via FCO and MXP. Is additional capacity r
29 SN-A330 : Exactly what I thought Sabena 690 ! CTA and PMO don't seem high yield destinations to me. Regards, SN-A330
30 Lumumba : Hi everybody. A.A and SN are discusing to code-share on the Chocago -Brussels route? Regards Patrice
31 SN-A330 : @ Lumumba : is that a question, because you put a "?" behind or do you know it for sure ? Regards, SN-A330
32 Lumumba : There are still in discutions and it's still not official but it's all in De morgen. Regards Patrice
33 Post contains images Pressclub : I can confirm info from Lumumba. SN BA is discussing a codeshare with AA on the Brussels-Chicago Route. Maybe this will start already in april... By t
34 Post contains images A320-Addict : Pressclub, How could you forget the summer DIRECT link between Bru and Catania on Thomas Cook, and Sobelair!? AA
35 Post contains images SN-A330 : @ A320-Addict: Thomas Cook ? Are they good ? Just a joke: they are great ! Regards, SN-A330
36 Post contains images Luchtzak : Pressclub! 2 new exciting VEX-destinations?? Can't wait to here which ones! greetings, luchtzak
37 Pressclub : As you perhaps know, A 320 addict, main focus for Thomas Cook and TUI are package holidays... You can't buy tickets via CRS for example... So they foc
38 Sabena 690 : Sorry Pressclub, I meant PMO but wrote CTA... Now we talk about charters and scheduled services to Sicily, does anyone know how much a charter airline
39 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Oh yeah, I'm also eagerly waiting for the new VEX destinations I was thinking about some possibilities... maybe PMI? Vienna? Venice? Not Palermo/Catan
40 Post contains images A320-Addict : He Frederic, For the price of a charter-ticket to CTA or PMO check out the new Thomas Cook Flight only brochure...; by the way the official launch of
41 Sabenapilot : With pleasure we announce the start up of operations to Palermo and Catania in Summer 2003. Direct flights to both Palermo and Catania will be operate
42 Pressclub : SN Brussels will also operate many many charters next summers. As far as I know: Up to 5 charters a week to Corsica (Ajaccio) for Nouvelles Frontieres
43 Flying Belgian : @ Pressclub; SN Brussels Airlines already operated many charters flights to those destinations in summer 2002, mainly on behalf of Sobelair except Bas
44 Sabenapilot : Booking class is Economy class only on both Palermo and Catania: Catania: €525 Palermo: €325
45 Pressclub : I hear that SN Brussels will probably codeshare next summer its Milan Linate flight with Gandalf Airlines.
46 Sabenapilot : Pressclub, Do you know if the flights to Corsica will be shared risk flights too, with SN as operating carrier (the flight listed in the irtimetable a
47 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Sabenapilot, €525 to CTA, is this a joke? In comparision: KLM asks at the moment about 300 euro for BRU-JFK and BRU-ORD. AZ asks in promo's about 18
48 Sabenapilot : Yes, Sabena690 -) prices are as quoted by the booking engine on the Brussels Airlines booking engine. Besides, these were the lowest fares! The highes
49 Com3205 : Expensive! If you look at the new website of Thomas Cook, just check the flight only part, SNBA will have to lower prices to fill their Avro's. Ex. Al
50 Post contains images Swissgabe : I have a question: At SN BA, do you still get this nice chocolate (gueilin or something like that) which they offered in Sabena C class? To be honest,
51 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Swissgabe, let me know when you come to Belgium, you will change your mind very fast about chocolat not made in Switzerland Cote-D'or, Meurisse, Calle
52 Post contains images Sabenapilot : SN does not have to lower its fares on CTA and PMO to attract pax, Com3205. In fact it seems minimum 60 seats per flight are sold in advance to a tour
53 Swissgabe : Thanks Sabena 690 well, the once which look like mussels are really great. Yummy ... cheers
54 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Well, if you are in Belgium Swissgabe, go to a shop called 'Moeder Babelutte' and ask for 'zeevruchten' (seafruit). This is what you mean Indeed, this
55 Post contains links Sabenapilot : From the SN Brussels Airlines press corner on their website http://www.brusselsairlines.com In addition to its regular 4-times daily flights to Milan
56 Post contains links Sabenapilot : Also from the SN Brussels Airlines press corner on their website http://www.brusselsairlines.com Thanks to a new codeshare agreement with Iberia, Spai
57 Sabenapilot : Some more information from the SN Brussels Airlines booking engine about the reopening of the Milan Linate service at the end of the month: BRU -> LIN
58 Sabena 690 : Fantastic news! I hope that we keep on seeing the B752 of IB over here... IB has a nice promo btw to MAD and BCN: 132 Euro all in. Regards, Frederic
59 Swissgabe : Yeah Frederic, the seafruit was what I have been looking for. You can get it everywhere but not in Switzerland. I will buy some of the stuff when I'm
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