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Question About "skipping" A Segment  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1760 times:
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SEA-DEN on United is about $380

SEA-SLC, connecting in DEN (changing planes) is $150

I am sure it is against the rules, but can I buy a SEA-DEN-SLC tix and just skip the DEN-SLC part?

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User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

You could perhaps get away with it on a one-way. If it is a round trip and you skip out on a segment, it automatically cancels the rest of your reservation, including the return.

Technically under the airline rules, they can bill you for the fare on what you actually traveled if you skip a segment. Make a habit of it and you'll probably have issues with the airline.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Assuming you want to return from DEN to SEA it's not wise as your reservation will be cancelled as soon as you don't use your coupon in the correct order.

If you've checked luggage you've the additional problem that your lugagge willend up in SLC whereas you end up in DEN

Moreover, may request you to pay the difference if they a) catch you and b) want to as it is illegal.


User currently offlineFpdonald From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Poll again and don't be afraid to "keep calling" UA's reservation line. Point out the two flights. Undoubtedly, they'll be able to find you a less expensive fare than $380 - patience and politeness pays.

Did you also try COS?


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13747 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1696 times:
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Keep calling to ask about doing something the carrier doesn't permit? Why, to wait until he gets an answer he likes from a new agent who doesn't know any better?  Insane



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

That's the 'hidden city' trick. If you do that, they will try and collect on you sometime down the road when you check in for another flight. If you fly often or plan to, I would think twice. If it is a business trip, I would not even consider the idea any further.

User currently offlineFpdonald From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Point being that some agents will gladly search for less expensive fares, which would in this case be SEA/DEN/SEA. Do you have any idea as to how many different fare structures there are?



User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3441 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

Also, if DEN is snowed in..... they may reroute you through SFO... what will you tell the agent? i was really just going to DEN? that won't make anyone happy. Slim chance, but potential problem.


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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 803 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

I'm not sure what the "rules" are, but considering how badly the U.S. owned airlines have been treating passengers lately, I would say go for it. The policy is inherently unfair and remember the only way to change fare structures and price gouging is to purchase tickets like this. BEWARE however, that they most likely will cancel your return flight.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13747 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1606 times:
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BEWARE however, that they most likely will cancel your return flight.

Not "most likely," but "WILL." And then you'll be stuck, since the carrier's published tariff indicates that failure to use one segment entitles them to not only cancel your downline space, but you'll be required to requalify for a brand new fare as well.

Point being that some agents will gladly search for less expensive fares, which would in this case be SEA/DEN/SEA. Do you have any idea as to how many different fare structures there are?

Yes, but they can only sell you what you actually plan to fly. Air carriers view back-to-back, hidden city ticketing, and other creative ways of circumventing fare rules as theft. Agents who are caught intentionally booking customers on these creative routings are subject to disciplinary action up to and including discharge.

And yes, genius...as an airline reservations supervisor, I DO know how many different types of fare structures there are.  Insane



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1593 times:
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okay, consider this idea closed  Smile Im not one to "steal" to save a few bucks, and even if I was, I could think of easier ways to do it then this  Big grin

User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Question, is hidden city the same as buying a round trip and nt using the return?

User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

EA CO AS (or anyone else with the appropriate knowledge),

Is it illegal to buy two roundtrip tickets and fly one inside of the other? Let me give you an example.

I live in Houston and need to be in Chicago Monday to Thursday, Jan 6 to Jan 9 and again Monday to Thursday Jan 20 to Jan 23.

I buy one ticket Houston - Chicago - Houston roundtrip leaving on Jan 6 and returning on Jan 23. I buy a second ticket Chicago - Houston - Chicago roundtrip leaving on Jan 9 and returning to Chicago on Jan 20.

I will fly all of the segments purchased. Is this illegal? I figure "no" since I bought and used all of the segments. Do the airlines have a rule that says you must complete one roundtrip before starting a new one? If yes, can they really enforce this? What are they going to do sue me for the difference in fare?

As an extension, if it is illegal, is it against the rules to do this on two separate airlines? Buying the Chicago - Houston - Chicago ticket on Continental and buying the Houston - Chicago - Houston ticket on American.

Thanks for any information you can provide.

ADH


User currently offlineBoeing767-383 From Denmark, joined Nov 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

adh214, the airlines cant deny you to buy a roundtrip and in the meantime fly a roundtrip on an other airline.

User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Adh214:

The situation you're describing is called back-to-back or piggyback ticketing, while not "illegal' in the law-abiding sense, does go against most airline's tariff rules.

This is a common way to get around Saturday stay requirements, and as such, airlines frown on it.

However, if you buy the tickets on different airlines as you suggest, you shouldn't have a problem. Two suggestions: 1. Do not buy both sets of tickets on one website or through one travel agent. 2. Do buy the tickets on airlines that share FF data - such as Continental and NW, or United and US.

To be extra safe do not put your FF #s in either reservation.


Good luck! You shouldn't have a problem.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13747 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1455 times:
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As previous posters have mentioned, back-to-back or piggyback ticketing is not illegal in a sense that it violates a law, but it's essentially a way to circumvent paying an airline what you'd normally pay them for the routing you really want.

Many carriers have begun investing in programs like Airline Automation Inc's "Predator" flight-firming program that automatically searches for back-to-back and duplicate ticketing on that same carrier. Airlines can and do catch people who are booked this way, and either bill the customer for the proper amount due, or send the travel agency a debit memo for their attempt to sneak one past the airline.

However, the airlines really don't care much if you do the first roundtrip on carrier A and then the other part of the back-to-back on carrier B. Just make sure you book them independent of one another (they can still catch it if you book it all together and ticket on one carrier's stock), and then they really can't argue about it.

Just make sure you fly each carrier's ticket in the order the tickets are issued in and you'll be fine. No-showing a segment or attempting to use flight coupons out of sequence will be a sure-fire way to get caught.




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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Not responding to the original post anymore. This is how to get around the back to back rule.

I fly LAX-RNO a few wednesdays a month. The roundtrip one day fare is about $270. The roundtrip Sat night stay fare is $95. So here's what I have done to take advantage of the low fare in a manner WHICH IS LEGAL IN THE AIRLINE TARIFF.

I buy a one way ticket LAX-RNO for #130.
Then I buy a series of RNO-LAX roundtrips, covering a sat night stay. THe tickets are then essentially overlapping, but they are not back-to-backs as I am following all the ailine rules!

Has worked perfectly for years.



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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Well this situation is not really the same as your but here it goes:

Example #1: You buy a Thai Airways ticket from BKK-SGN on C class costs $400. But if you buy BKK-PNH-SGN it is only $300 with that one connection. Then while at BKK checking-in, you may request to use two sectors into one provided you fly on a Thai Airways metal from BKK-SGN skipping the PNH segment.

We do that all the time but I am not sure if it works with you there with UA or DL. But maybe you can find a connection somewhere with the same final destination?


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