EWRvsJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 5 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2921 times:
Can anyone share insight re: why Pan Am discontinued service from JFK to Paris in the mid-1970s?
Background data from Pan Am-issued timetables:
1. In mid-1960s, Pan Am flew 2 daily non-stops from JFK to Paris - One morning flight, one evening flight. (Also, two non-stops PER WEEK from Washington DC to Paris.)
2. The two daily JFK-Paris non-stops continued in 1973, with the evening flight now utilizing 747 equipment.
3. However, my mid-1975 Pan Am timetable does not show service to Paris, which seems odd.
I recall that Pan Am offered JFK-Paris service during the 1980s.
Assuming my 1975 timetable is correct, I'm wondering if Pan Am discontinued JFK-Paris service due to a) the adverse impact of the 1974 oil embargo on flight schedules or b) Pan Am exchanging its Paris rights to another U.S. carrier in return for a more lucrative/desired route.
If you can provide some insight on this topic, please reply. Thanks.
N202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1563 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2912 times:
The discontinuation of service to Paris was part of a deal with TWA which saw the two carriers basically agreeing to not compete against each other in certain markets. PA pulled its US-Paris service; service to Madrid, Barcelona, Nice, Casablanca and Vienna; and flights from Los Angeles, Chicago and Philadelphia to London. TWA pulled its US-Frankfurt flights, plus most of its Pacific routes, including flights to Hong Kong, Guam, Bangkok and Honolulu.
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3811 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2893 times:
Shortly after the agreement described by N202PA, TWA made Paris its hub for connecting European and Middle East destinations that could not support direct services from the U.S. while Pan Am did the same at LHR and FRA. Both had 727s (plus 737s for PA) based at their respective European hubs to operate these services. After PA sold their LHR hub to United and their FRA hub to Delta, UA and DL operated their own 727s on these services which were relatively short-lived as ETOPs twins made non-stop services on less densely traveled U.S. - Europe routes feasible and code-shares with European airlines replaced the connecting services that had been operated by UA's and DL's own aircraft and staff.