Our new Economy is all about giving you more choice and more generous servings. Special features of our new Economy include:
*New printed menus
*Contemporary new meal trays, wine glasses, glass salad bowls, napkins and stainless steel cutlery
*Additional meal choices with more generous offerings
*Additional service of tea and coffee in the morning or ice cream or dessert in the afternoon and evening
*Meal services designed for the time of the day such as the brunch service and wakeup juice for night flights
*Complimentary beer and wine from lunch time
*Complimentary newspapers until 9am
*Refreshing mints prior to landing
*Night flight amenities
Oz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1322 times:
Interesting to see that QF are putting these extras on, while Air New Zealand are taking almost all of the items mentioned OFF. (Air NZ has handed out hard boiled sweets on descent since their DC-3 (NZNAC) days!!)
Positive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1253 times:
Are QF going to operate the A330 on the SYD-MEL route? This seems too short a route to operate an aircraft of this size. I know they fly the 767-300 SYD-MEL, but the 767-300 was never really designed to operate 1 hour flights was it? I can understand operating a/c like the 767-300/A330 on routes such as PER-MEL, PER-SYD, PER-BBN etc but doesn't MEL-SYD seem too short for a plane of that size?
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16308 posts, RR: 87 Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
Well, it isn't too short a route for the plane if its a full flight, really.
The 764, MD-11, and 777 aren't designed for such either, but DL flies them ATL-MCO all the time. Many Japanese stage lengths are very short, and the competitors there fly 772s and 773s, as well as the specially designed 747Ds.
The A332s QF ordered are a lower MTOW, with CF6-80E1A2 engines. So they aren't equipped for the ultra-long-haul like AF's, for example (AF flies CDG-GIG with a 332). So one could say QF specified them for shorter hops. Does anyone know the actual MTOW option selected?
Now according to the census, one of these A332s (the second one, just delivered) has the much more powerful CF6-80E1A3 engine but nobody can confirm that. I wonder if its inaccurate.
I don't know what QF specified for the A330-300s they ordered, but they've indicated that these planes will be used for International routes, so my guess is they're the increased gross weight version with more powerful engines. The Census says they're mere -301s with the lower rated engines and low MTOW, but again, I don't know how accurate that is. Doesn't seem to make much sense, but also since I don't know to where they'll fly them I could be off base.
If anyone has any insight as to where QF will fly the A333, I'd be interested in knowing. AJ seems to know everything.
All this is very exciting really, since QF helped design the 777 but have forsaken it for its competitor. I know the 332 competes with the 764, but the 333 clearly competes with the 772. Odd how people like Cathay fly the 772 and the 333, and on similar routes.
I babbled a lot, didn't I? Oh well. I need intellectual stimulation this evening.
The Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1415 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
Marara, I think you were misled by the QF wording. It's pretty ambiguous. I don't think the boxes have gone on the "Golden Triangle" flights, only on the PER flights. If you have a look at the sub-heading which you've quoted from, it says "Between Perth and East Coast".
Positive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1220 times:
Yeah i know about the 747SR operated by JAL and ANA, but don't forget that these a/c are specifically designed for very short sectors. They have strengthened undercarriage and various other modifications. Very short haul flights actually put a lot more strain on an aircraft than ultra long haul flights do due to repeated pressurisations, higher number of take-off/landings etc. Is the A330 going to operate any long-haul domestic flights at all?(SYD/MEL-PER) seems the obvious choice for this type.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16308 posts, RR: 87 Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1191 times:
Yes, the A332 will operate PER to both SYD and MEL. I dunno about ADL, is ADL one of the cities?
Don't forget I mentioned the 772 and 773, as well as the 763 in Japanese domestic service, which haven't been strengthened. Also the MD-11, 777, and 764 from ATL-MCO daily. I was saying they flew these other aircraft in addition to the 747D.
The A330 is a sturdy little aircraft. It'll be fine, as fine as the 767 was on those routes.
Thadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 396 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1090 times:
It is not so much the boxes, it is the garbage that is in them - s far as their functionality goes, they are great, easy to hand out, no possibility of spilling anything when handing it across to the third passenger away from you.
But they are only good for cold food, and some flights deserve hot food. They can't seem to handle this concept (although they are starting to on PER services).