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QF Domestic Changes (Death Of The Perry Box)  
User currently offlineMarara From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 678 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1732 times:

Well on the cityflyer services anyway

from the Qantas website.
http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying/inTheAir/domesticEconomy#jump5
>>>>>
You can now enjoy a new level of comfort and service between Perth and Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

Our new Economy is all about giving you more choice and more generous servings. Special features of our new Economy include:


*New printed menus
*Contemporary new meal trays, wine glasses, glass salad bowls, napkins and stainless steel cutlery
*Additional meal choices with more generous offerings
*Additional service of tea and coffee in the morning or ice cream or dessert in the afternoon and evening
*Meal services designed for the time of the day such as the brunch service and wakeup juice for night flights
*Complimentary beer and wine from lunch time
*Complimentary newspapers until 9am
*Refreshing mints prior to landing
*Night flight amenities
>>>>

Nice to see QF responding to critisism. Some changes made to Jclass as well
http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying/inTheAir/domesticBusiness#jump4


I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. Jerome K Jerome
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User currently offlineRupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Why don't they increase the seat pitch too, it'll be so much better!

User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

A little damage control for those attacks of poor service. QANTAS is realizing that Virgin Blue is taking away business travelers as well as leisure travelers.

pilottim747



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User currently offlineOz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Interesting to see that QF are putting these extras on, while Air New Zealand are taking almost all of the items mentioned OFF. (Air NZ has handed out hard boiled sweets on descent since their DC-3 (NZNAC) days!!)

Oz777


User currently offlineBmi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

what aircraft do QF use on services btw PER and SYD? is it mainly the 762/3?

mark


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2397 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

bmi, it is a mix of 737/747/767 and A330.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

I can't wait for the first QF A333 to arrive. Not that I've been to Oz or will make it in the near future (tis expensive to get there from here!) but I want to see the pictures.

I wonder if they'll use any of the A333s on domestic routes? Might be a bit overkill, but possibly some from SYD to MEL or vice versa that continue to other exciting destinations.

N


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Fair enough that they have changed this too - Perth-East Coast is not all that short - 4 and a half hours give or take.

Gigneil - wait no more - search under Qantas and A330 in the database here, and you will be very well rewarded...

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Heh V/F, those are all pics of Cradle Mountain, which is an A330-200.

I'm waiting on the new A330-300, due later in the year.

Thanks tho.  Big grin

N


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Oh right! I am sorry, I completely misread your post - my mistake Embarrassment

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Are QF going to operate the A330 on the SYD-MEL route? This seems too short a route to operate an aircraft of this size. I know they fly the 767-300 SYD-MEL, but the 767-300 was never really designed to operate 1 hour flights was it? I can understand operating a/c like the 767-300/A330 on routes such as PER-MEL, PER-SYD, PER-BBN etc but doesn't MEL-SYD seem too short for a plane of that size?

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Just because it is a short route Positive rate that doesn't mean nothing. SYD-MEL is the 3rd busiest domestic route in the world!

JAL operate a ton of 747's daily on domestic most flights are shorter than SYD-MEL, these are mainly domestic configured 747's with 550 odd seats!

So are the QF A333's going to be used on Asian and Trans Tasman routes? Or domestic when they arrive?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Well, it isn't too short a route for the plane if its a full flight, really.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The 764, MD-11, and 777 aren't designed for such either, but DL flies them ATL-MCO all the time.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Many Japanese stage lengths are very short, and the competitors there fly 772s and 773s, as well as the specially designed 747Ds.

The A332s QF ordered are a lower MTOW, with CF6-80E1A2 engines. So they aren't equipped for the ultra-long-haul like AF's, for example (AF flies CDG-GIG with a 332). So one could say QF specified them for shorter hops. Does anyone know the actual MTOW option selected?

Now according to the census, one of these A332s (the second one, just delivered) has the much more powerful CF6-80E1A3 engine but nobody can confirm that. I wonder if its inaccurate.

I don't know what QF specified for the A330-300s they ordered, but they've indicated that these planes will be used for International routes, so my guess is they're the increased gross weight version with more powerful engines. The Census says they're mere -301s with the lower rated engines and low MTOW, but again, I don't know how accurate that is. Doesn't seem to make much sense, but also since I don't know to where they'll fly them I could be off base.

If anyone has any insight as to where QF will fly the A333, I'd be interested in knowing. AJ seems to know everything.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

All this is very exciting really, since QF helped design the 777 but have forsaken it for its competitor. I know the 332 competes with the 764, but the 333 clearly competes with the 772. Odd how people like Cathay fly the 772 and the 333, and on similar routes.

I babbled a lot, didn't I? Oh well. I need intellectual stimulation this evening.

N


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Marara, I think you were misled by the QF wording. It's pretty ambiguous. I don't think the boxes have gone on the "Golden Triangle" flights, only on the PER flights. If you have a look at the sub-heading which you've quoted from, it says "Between Perth and East Coast".


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User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Yeah i know about the 747SR operated by JAL and ANA, but don't forget that these a/c are specifically designed for very short sectors. They have strengthened undercarriage and various other modifications. Very short haul flights actually put a lot more strain on an aircraft than ultra long haul flights do due to repeated pressurisations, higher number of take-off/landings etc. Is the A330 going to operate any long-haul domestic flights at all?(SYD/MEL-PER) seems the obvious choice for this type.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Yes, the A332 will operate PER to both SYD and MEL. I dunno about ADL, is ADL one of the cities?

Don't forget I mentioned the 772 and 773, as well as the 763 in Japanese domestic service, which haven't been strengthened. Also the MD-11, 777, and 764 from ATL-MCO daily. I was saying they flew these other aircraft in addition to the 747D.

The A330 is a sturdy little aircraft. It'll be fine, as fine as the 767 was on those routes.

N


User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

I was on the cityflyer service from MEL to BNE and back to MEL, those boxes are so crap, I had 2 of them and was still dead hungry.

User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1476 times:

Nice to see Qantas handling some complaints at last.
Those Neil Perry boxes were the worst things to come out of Qantas since James Strong.

Much Happier,
QantasAirways



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineThadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

It is not so much the boxes, it is the garbage that is in them - s far as their functionality goes, they are great, easy to hand out, no possibility of spilling anything when handing it across to the third passenger away from you.

But they are only good for cold food, and some flights deserve hot food. They can't seem to handle this concept (although they are starting to on PER services).

Dave


User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Just a question, they reuse those boxes right?

User currently offlineThadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

No, they do NOT reuse the boxes - they are recycled, along with everything in it.

Where it cuts down on costs is that they do not have to take the trays off incoming flights and sort and seperate everything laboriously.

http://www.visy.com.au/qantas/ for details.

Dave


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