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How Is Jetsgo Doing?  
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

What are their plans? Is this airline making money? Any chance that they will get more MD-80's or even the 717? Would be great...

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User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

Well I flew them yesterday, and the flight from YVR-YYZ was packed full. Unfortunately this caused the airline to leave behind 91 bags due to the weight restrictions of the Super 80. The flight was also delayed by 1 hour, but the product once airborne was half decent. Unfortunately for JetsGo I heard many people claim they will not fly this crappy airline again. JetsGo should probably address these customer service problems and have a philosophy of a scheduled airlines instead of a charter airline.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

According to the owners, Jetsgo is doing fine. It's hard to say, because it's not a publicly traded company. Their loads are good for a new airline, but they also have many sales to boost loads. They just did a Boxing Week 2 for 1 sale, and it was extended. It's hard to say whether they did that because they're desperate or because they're innovative.

Regardless, I know some of the people at Jetsgo, and they are truly great professionals. I wish them all the best, I feel the product they have is very good, but if the past is any indication for Michel Leblanc, management and operations are hardly world class, and that has an effect on Jetsgo's reputation for quality. I do think that Jetsgo is here for the long-run, but others predict they'll go under anytime.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

If the MD-83 was weight restricted coming back from Vancouver to Toronto, then Mark was right about the MD not being a good aircraft for non-stop YUL to YVR, and it would be weight restricted.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Nuno,

Thanks for believing me Big grin

The only aircraft that is narrow-body that can make YULYVR without some type of weight restrict is the A319... AC129 used to be a B767 now its an A321, and the flight leaves with a mandatory 20 empty seats for weight restriction reasons... but the eastbound leg is a bit easier..

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

If the MD-83 was weight restricted coming back from Vancouver to Toronto, then Mark was right about the MD not being a good aircraft for non-stop YUL to YVR, and it would be weight restricted.

The MD-83 could easily handle YUL-YVR, particularly with a 20-seat (for example) empty margin for head-winds.....this would still provide Jetsgo with a potentially higher load factor than the rest of their route network on average. Indeed, with AC downsizing from the 762 to the 321 and then restricting capacity on the 321, there would appear to untapped potential on the YUL-YVR route.

Transwede used to fly the MD-83 on the CPH-Gander route.....a greater distance than YUL-YVR. SAS flew the MD-83 on CPH-Jeddah....a 6-hour flight each way.

In North America, North American flew JFK-LAX MD-83 nonstops. Allegro flies YYZ-Puerto Vallarta nonstops now.

In other words, a slightly capacity-restricted MD-83 could easily handle YUL-YVR if Jetsgo felt there was a market. It appears they don't.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLasbagman From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

I heard about the 91 bags left off from Jetsgo. The aircraft baggage pits are simply not big enough to handle full flights with heavy bags. Allegro was flying MD80 from las to tij/mex/gdl and was weight restricted for the same reason.
Allegro went back to the 727 for this run. If its on a leisure route with 1 or 2 bags per person its ok , when you take in WX and # of bags, then its another story.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

"The MD-83 could easily handle YUL-YVR, particularly with a 20-seat (for example) empty margin for head-winds.....this would still provide Jetsgo with a potentially higher load factor than the rest of their route network on average. Indeed, with AC downsizing from the 762 to the 321 and then restricting capacity on the 321, there would appear to untapped potential on the YUL-YVR route."

-AC 129 YULYVR is a combo of B763 and A321. How is it that AC goes from 2 daily YULYVR in the winter to 4 daily (3 B767, 1 A320) in the summer.. oh well.. As for weight restrict, the MD80 with 160 pax and 140 bags can not and will not make to YVR from YUL. So that is why SG 101 (I think) does YUL-YYZ-YVR..... anyway I will be working for JetsGo at YUL in two weeks, ill have a more accurate perception of the way things are going and loads.... FYI, today's SG 101 left with 120 pax in YUL, 80 odd that were headed to YVR according to their load sheet at Servisair.. thats half the plane right there..

And you need something like at least 80% load factor to break even

"In other words, a slightly capacity-restricted MD-83 could easily handle YUL-YVR if Jetsgo felt there was a market. It appears they don't."

-Lets not get started...

Mark




User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

All I'm saying is let's not make excuses for why YUL-YVR is not served by Jetsgo. I gave several examples of airlines that served longer routes with MD-80s than YUL-YVR.

The overwhelming reason why YUL-YVR is not served (by any airline) is the lack of a market, not the lack of suitable equipment. It seems that Westjet, Tango, Jetsgo and Slyservice feel the same way.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineVref From Canada, joined Jan 2002, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

I just wanted to make a couple of comments.
First about the bag issue, During what is the busiest travel season people do not travel lightly. Bulk outs are not out of the ordinary. I can remember not to long ago doing cargo charters for AC to the rock. That back log would make your head spin.
Finally for FLYYUL. Are you saying that Jetsgo needs 80% to break even? Where are you getting your facts?
Oh one more thing. The distance issue is not the real problem. As any of you peelots know when you are flying west pack a good lunch cause you will be a while. Also if the wx is poor and your alternate is further away this will add to the problem.
thanks
Vref



Remember! She will fly over gross but not out of gas!
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

I see their bilboards along the NJ Tunrpike near EWR all the time, offering $96 fares to Toronto. I never heard of them, now I know.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

Seems like this YUL-YVR is a probem, but on a lighter note, has Jetsgo gone south yet and what is the loads like,....i know they started like FLL or MCO on the 21 of Dec, any word on that?

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1171 times:

I had an interesting meeting yesterday with someone in the know about JetsGo and the overall impression I got was that upcoming bookings are extremely poor with no particular scope for improvement.

Sad to say, but I think that the writing is on the wall for JetsGo unless we see a change to the business model soon. Their attempt to use the Ryanair "absolutely no frills" model over the Southwest "minimal frills" model was probably a mistake, especially when stacked up against WestJet. They wanted to take on Tango head-to-head and alas it is only in stories that David slays Goliath.

It's not over for JetsGo by any means, and the move into transborder routes is a welcome breath of fresh air. Whether it will be sufficient to save the carrier is another story. Nonetheless, it is never a good sign when management themselves begin to get pessimistic about the airline's ability to compete.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

YUL-YVR is a not a problem.. the one jetsgo flight to YVR is a joint YUL and YYZ flight... no big deal.

As for YULFLL, they are doing very well on the route. Last saturday they had a booking of 147 out of 162. They are now adding a Sunday frequency. JetsGo also flies YULPOP and YULPUJ, and those routes are doing decent. But apparently, there is such an overcapacity down south from both Montreal and Toronto. Travel agencies say they have never seen such incredible deals, many of which are last minute.

Most low-fare carriers need a 75-80% load factor to be profitable, Angus Kinnear and Michel Leblanc have both stated such.

I think JetsGO will be fine.. but I dont think the MD80 is the right aircraft, because it does have range limitations. Again, JetsGo can barely run YYZYVR without some kind of weight/payload restriction, and when an 80% load is needed to break-even.

JetsGo is not attacking WestJet's network one bit, perhaps the YYZYVR, but that is minimal. JetsGo is exploiting the potential down south, that has been left vacant by the old QN and 2T. Furthermore, JetsGo is the only "true" low-fare competitor on YULYYZ, a route of 1.5 million pax and more. That is why on Jan 10, JetsGo is upping the frequency to 7 daily.....

Mark


User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

Hey mark, that was well put. I too agree with you that people will travel on jetsgo, they maybe late but they get you there. For people wanting to avoid the high AC prices, Jetsgo is a good alternative

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

JetsGo will be fine..

But let me tell you, decreasing all these ridiculous Canadian BULLSH*T taxes will help everybody to a much greater extent.

Montreal-Toronto base fare $198 round-trip, with taxes almost $300......... CRAZY!

Mark


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1097 times:

The Canadian government loves new taxes and has an aversion to decreasing or eliminating them. Hopefully they'll realize they're doing more harm than good in time and eliminate the security fee. That will help airlines such as Jetsgo and Wesjet for sure.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineSkywatcher From Canada, joined Sep 2002, 453 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

When I think of the taxation and spending policies of the Federal Liberals I just feel like puking. It seems like I have a permanent (and growing) leech attached to my wallet. It gets almost unbearable when I purchase an airline ticket.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

Most low-fare carriers need a 75-80% load factor to be profitable, Angus Kinnear and Michel Leblanc have both stated such.

I agree. This is true of all LCC's.

I dont think the MD80 is the right aircraft, because it does have range limitations.

I disagree. I think it's the right aircraft. It has the same capacity as the A320 but MUCH CHEAPER lease rates. The range limitation is only an issue for YYZ-YVR et al....there are plenty of routes that the MD-80 range is not an issue for.

The specific MD-80's that Jetsgo has are very late model ones from the late 90's hence their dispatch reliability will be good.

JetsGo is the only "true" low-fare competitor on YULYYZ, a route of 1.5 million pax and more. That is why on Jan 10, JetsGo is upping the frequency to 7 daily.....

True. If they're adding a 7th daily, they must be doing well on the market.








Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1019 times:

Well Neil you certainly make a good point about the MD83 being good in terms of leasing rates.

But i do think JetsGo could one day benefit from something a bit more flexible. THey can start LCC runs like YYZ-LAX, YYZ-LAS, YUL-LAS, YVR-SAN etc etc.. lots of oppurtunities out there..

Mark


User currently offlineAApilot2b From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 572 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1010 times:

Funny how the topic has changed so that it barely resembles the question put forth in the first place.

User currently offlineLasbagman From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

YUL/LAS was a failure, Air Canada never flew the route and all pax went thru YYZ. Air Transat flew YMX/LAS 2 years ago and loads were not good.
For leisure routes, YUL Pax seem to prefer Florida for the US destination.

Lasbagman


User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

I am sure that another YYZ-LAS option would be good. I remember last year seeing SSV having two flights back to back, like 5 minutes apart with the A320 on the route, just because of the demand. I think if they can get a good gate spot to fly down and return.

See i think the flight should leave around 12:00, so you get to vegas at 13:30 or so LAS time, you can check into your room by 15:00. then the return leaves around 14:30 LAS time at the latest and returns to YYZ at 22:00 YYZ time, not this other crap, coming in at 0:05, i had that on QN one time....what a joke.

Or how about WJ flying YHM-YYZ, if the price is right i bet there would be good loads....??

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Hello,

YYZ- YVR is a stretch for an MD-83. To fly to YVR, it typically needs 3000 lbs short of full fuel. That's less than 1.5 tons, in other words nothing. We fill them often to 41, 500 lbs. That's 9,500 in each wing (full), both aux tanks at 2500 (full) and 18,000 in the center ( 3000 short of full).

1,5 tons short of full fuel means a lot of bags often get left out in the curb, as do pax and while that happens... long delays, of up to an hour. That's unnacceptable, especially due to the fact that it is unavoidable every time there's a headwind (always) and a big load.

Given, it's a low- cost. But consider a full AC 320 goes to LAX from YYZ on 14,5 tons of fuel. The high- bypass factor...

JT8D- 217: In trust we thrust  Laugh out loud

Grégoire



User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 987 times:

"YUL/LAS was a failure, Air Canada never flew the route and all pax went thru YYZ."

-True.. YULLAS was supposed to start-up on Oct 25th of 2001. But the first few flights were sold out, but due to cutbacks, this route was cut, like YVR-LAS, like YYCLAS..

Mark


25 Lasbagman : Mark, YYC/LAS and YVR/LAS routes were cut due to over saturation in the market, I can tell you right now the loads from YUL to LAS on AC Mainline and
26 Post contains images Mr Spaceman : Hi guys. I have some questions about JETSGO that I didn't see mentioned above....unless I missed it. How many airliners do they currently have? I thin
27 Slawko : Chris, Jetsgo now has 6 aircraft, they started out with 2 and planned to add a 4th by the end of 2002, but business, I guess, was good and so they are
28 Post contains links and images Mr Spaceman : Hello Slawko. OK, Thank You for that information. So, they do have only 6 aircraft at the moment (which is 6 more than I have), and they are all MD-83
29 Westjet_8 : Are they ever planing on coming to Calgary. I think a YUL-YYC route might work out for them as I have been on the Air Canada flights 2 roundtrips and
30 Post contains images Captaingomes : Slawko said last year that Jetsgo was also looking at 767's for overseas flights. Any further details on that Slawko????? Regarding the 83's and range
31 Post contains images Slawko : Screw off Nuno, HEHE BTW How is the transat 777 situation comming along??? Last I heard from YOU they were ready to be delivered We all know rumours f
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