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Is There Any Chances To See A340-500 With NW Or DL  
User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 847 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

NW wanted some A340 s in the 90s . Noway that NW will ever fly the A345 ?

regards
dennys

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

With NW I think so.

With DL I think not.

N


User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3399 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Look for the 340 in NW colors eventualy, especialy if another another engine option is offered *cough*Pratt*cough* The -600 would be a great replacement for the 742, and probably for some of the -400s as well. I wouldn't be suprised to see them use the -500 for some routes, but the -600 does seeem most likely as it can easily act as a dircet replacement for the current fleet. That being said, don't be looking for new orders soon. NW isn't always in a hurry to replace old metal.

Delt already has the 777. 'nough said.



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User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

NW is most likely as they are going to operate the 333 starting from June. But they probably won't consider 742/744 replacement for a long time to come.

Hkg82.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

I can see NW having the 340s in their fleet. It seems to me they want a 50/50 mix of Airbus & Boeing. Delta, on the other, will not have quads again. Their last 4-engined jetliner was the DC-8-71s. IMO, Delta will stay all twin-engined Boeings. Regards.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3015 times:
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Echoing the previous replies, NW is a possibility as an A-340 customer...but given their penchant for older, paid-off airframes, the 742 fleet may stick around for quite awhile.

DL, however, will purchase from Airbus about the same time that you see airborne pigs swooping along the frozen landscape of Hell.  Big grin



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

DL chances are less than 10% IMO.
NW is prob around 70% in the long-run although their 742s are still relatively young and they are known to be particularly frugal.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

NW probably will, assuming PW creates an engine for it (no exclusivity contract with RR)

Why on EARTH would DL want to fly that ridiculous aircraft when it already operates 777s and could easily order a 772LR? (despite the engine difference, which I dont think would bother it... considering the 767s)


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

They might want their aircraft delivered before 2005, first off, and secondly they wouldn't want an aircraft with an uncertain future.

But, I agree... DL will definitely go for the 772 first.

AA is a different matter. Their exclusivity contract with Boeing only covers craft up to the MTOW of the 772ER. If they suddenly did develop a need to fly from DFW to the other side of the world, who knows what they'd buy? They have a big hard on for RR now...

N


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

I would love to see a RR Trent 500 powered A340-500/600 in AA colors!

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

They might want their aircraft delivered before 2005
No they wouldnt... they're not even taking many of the deliveries that they already had planned BEFORE for 2003-2004!

They have a big hard on for RR now
Yes, they do. Ditto CX.

I would love to see a RR Trent 500 powered A340-500/600 in AA colors

I definitely would not. That... and AA's ultimate goal is to simplify their fleet down to 737, S80, 757/767, and 777. Why on earth would they add a 5th type when the 772LR can outperform it (i.e., based on range)? Airframe/Pilot/parts compatibility seems to make a lot more sense than engine compatibility alone.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

I agree, it wouldn't make sense to add yet another type.

N


User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8467 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2854 times:
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NW is the best,perhaps only chance,for an A340 on the US register.

I think RR has a contract with Airbus which will only permit Airbus to offer the A340-500/600 with RR engines for a number of years.Once that time is up they are free to offer other engine types.

Stick some P&W units on it and NW may well be interested as a 742/744 replacement.

Who knows...lets wait and hope.

Rgds

BA319-131



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9693 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

With the current regulations regarding noise, isn't NW "forced" to replace its 742 fleet? Like other noisy aircraft (727, DC-10, L-10, A300 etc) the 742 will be due for replacement because of noise restrictions, right? Is their a hushkit available for the Classic 747's? I heard the MD80 aircraft family will have a hushkit available soon, is that correct?

Regards A388


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

AA is a different matter. Their exclusivity contract with Boeing only covers craft up to the MTOW of the 772ER. If they suddenly did develop a need to fly from DFW to the other side of the world, who knows what they'd buy? They have a big hard on for RR now...

Airframe commonality is far more valuable than engine commonality. Given the success of the 777 family, I'm sure it's safe to say that both Delta and American, should they see fit to order an ultra long haul aircraft, would likely opt for the 777-200LR over the A340-500.

But the question is how badly they want something like that. Both American and Delta were very interested in the 777X program, yet their interest faded away when the GE90-115B was selected as the exclusive powerplant.

Delta took another look at the 777-200LR in mid 2001, and their interest again faded away the morning of September 11, 2001.

So the question is whether they can justify that kind of expenditure. The longest routes I see Delta flying at any forseeable point in the future would be ATL-NRT, and possibly JFK to the Middle East and/or India nonstop. The 777s Delta presently has can carry a full load on all of the above, given typical mission rules. The only holdup is crew rest facility issues.

I think AA is about "Triple Sevened" out, and DL will get plenty more in the pipeline once the financial side of the house has been straightened out. I think whatever chances the 772LR may have had with either of the two carriers were essentially wiped out by 9/11/01.

The only exception to that, however, is that if United is unable to emerge from bankruptcy, or ends up jettisoning their Asia-Pacific division, one of these two carriers will be the beneficiary, and suddenly the 772LR comes under scrutiny again.



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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

I always thought the L1011 is pretty quiet considering the age of it... Eastern's "Whisperliner"
I would love to see an AA A340, but in all honesty, it would look ugly.



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

YAY, we found a creative way to talk about what will NW replace their 747-200s with!!  Nuts

Anyone want to start the weekly what is replacing Northwest's DC-9 topic?


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

I could see the 772LR in service with DL at some [distant] future time.... particularly if it fails to secure a viable partnership with a SE Asian carrier (CI? Dont make me laugh!)

That way, they could serve SE Asia from ATL if they chose, without having to go through another westcoast gateway fiasco.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

NW will order A340s Im sure  Smile
AA will not  Sad



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2752 times:
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NW is more likely to order A345/A346's than Delta for the obvious reasons stated above. Plus i think DL has a pact with boeing permitting them to only buying boeings for the foreseable future.



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User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Anyone want to start the weekly what is replacing Northwest's DC-9 topic?

Yes... let's see... anyone wanna bet $50 that NW keeps its DC-9s until 2012?

717 perhaps? well, i dont know...
A318 maybe?? well, not many airlines seem to place 318 orders and keep em... so no...
ROFL
i'll stop now  Wink/being sarcastic

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Arsenal:

DL's pact with Boeing is just like AA's - it only applies to aircraft up to the MTOW of the heaviest 772ER.

Anything bigger is fair game.

N


User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

I thought that DL/AA/CO's pacts with Boeing weren't even formal agreements after Airbus complained to the WTO (?), but more of the 'wink-wink-nudge-nudge' kind of unwritten/informal/handshake deal.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7968 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

I think NW's chances of buy the A340-600 really depends on what happens to UA from the bankruptcy proceedings.

If UA does have to sell its NRT rights expect NW to snap up a lot of 747-400's from UA's fleet and that will very likely end the idea of NW getting the A346. However, if UA is allowed to keep its NRT hub NW may seriously look at getting the A346 after 2006 as replacements for NW's older 747-200's.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2611 times:

Or if someone else gets the UA NRT hub, NW might not need the capacity of all those extra 744s.

Who knows. NW may still be flying DC-9s and 742s by the time I die.

N


25 Arsenal@LHR : That's interesting gigneil, never knew that.
26 QatarAirways : Is NW going to put a type completely out of consideration just because of engine type? I mean look at the DC-10-30's in the fleet they are GE powered.
27 TEDSKI : The NW GE CF6 powered DC-10-30s are used aircraft that use to belong to Swissair and VARIG. There were only 40 or so P&W JT9D powered DC-10-40s produc
28 Ba319-131 : When CX decided to buy A343's there was no engine choice,as it still stands today. Rgds BA319-131
29 JAL : NW could order the A340-500 but Delta or AA will likely order the 777-200LR for the sake of fleet commonality.
30 747-451 : Tedski, The DC-10-30's were also obtained from Japan Air system, Korean Air as well. NW, Doubtful they will do any replacing of classic large aircraft
31 Spence : Northwest is sour on the 753? Why?
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : Lets make some comments here...... In the case of all 3 ---- it is highly, highly doubtful you will see the A340. I'm not going to say ever, because s
33 BA319-131 : 747-451, Whilst Delta did inherit A310's from Pan Am,they did also buy 'new' frames direct from Airbus. If they were that unhappy they would never hav
34 Jlb : Quote: "DL, however, will purchase from Airbus about the same time that you see airborne pigs swooping along the frozen landscape of Hell." Well SAS d
35 Post contains images Gigneil : I'd be sour too, if I had to deboard from the last row on a 753. N
36 Ha763 : Has anyone here ever flown on a 753? I flew one with CO and my seat was about 4 rows from the back and it was about 97% full. I waited till almost all
37 Gigneil : I'm actually surprised that DL hasn't been all over the 753 like white on rice.... they were using the 757 for a long time to replace outgoing 727s an
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