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Topic: Info on how becoming an Air Force or Navy Pilot
Username: Dfurco
Posted 2009-06-23 12:59:54 and read 8288 times.

I currently just graduated from high school and is looking to become a pilot for the navy or air force. I was wondering what type of pre-service education I should achieve to help me on my road. I looked on the internet but I really couldn't find anything helpful. Any help would be extremely appreciated. I'm pretty much clueless right now, so any books or sites would be awesome. I thank you in advance and I'm terribly sorry for this intruding post.

-Daniel

Topic: Info on how becoming an Air Force or Navy Pilot
Username: Trigged
Posted 2009-06-23 14:13:33 and read 8272 times.

The most direct route is either one of the service academies (Annapolis or Colorado Springs) or standard Air Force or Navy ROTC from a 4 year university. My suggestion is to contact a staff member at the ROTC department at a 4 year university that you would like to attend and speak to them about the aviation field and commissioning. They are able to provide 4 year scholarships to pay for your school. Several great schools for that are state universities such as University of Arizona, Auburn University in Alabama, and other places across the country depending on where you live or where you want to attend. No service will accept you into flight school without a 4 year degree unless you are close to a degree and are enlisted in that particular branch. It is VERY competitive so be prepared to fight for the slot.

I wish you the best of luck!

Topic: Info on how becoming an Air Force or Navy Pilot
Username: KC135TopBoom
Posted 2009-06-23 15:11:37 and read 8256 times.



Quoting Dfurco (Thread starter):
I currently just graduated from high school and is looking to become a pilot for the navy or air force.

I'd recommend you major in English in college. Neither the USAF or USN will take someone as a pilot who writes like that.

Topic: Info on how becoming an Air Force or Navy Pilot
Username: Dfurco
Posted 2009-06-23 18:00:22 and read 8225 times.

Thank you for the info.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: Blackbird
Posted 2009-06-24 12:01:51 and read 8119 times.

You would probably want to major in something science related actually

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: EMBQA
Posted 2009-06-24 12:50:26 and read 8109 times.



Quoting Dfurco (Thread starter):

Then again... go US Army and fly helicopters..."from high school to flight school"

No matter what you choose.... very good math skills and as TopBoom stated, you need to work on your writing skills. Pretty weak....

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: EA772LR
Posted 2009-06-24 13:44:08 and read 8093 times.



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
I'd recommend you major in English in college. Neither the USAF or USN will take someone as a pilot who writes like that.



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
as TopBoom stated, you need to work on your writing skills. Pretty weak....

Come on guys, cut him some slack. The rest of his post was well written and grammatically error free. Using 'is' instead of 'am' is an honest mistake.

Quoting Trigged (Reply 1):
The most direct route is either one of the service academies (Annapolis or Colorado Springs) or standard Air Force or Navy ROTC from a 4 year university. My suggestion is to contact a staff member at the ROTC department at a 4 year university that you would like to attend and speak to them about the aviation field and commissioning. They are able to provide 4 year scholarships to pay for your school. Several great schools for that are state universities such as University of Arizona, Auburn University in Alabama, and other places across the country depending on where you live or where you want to attend. No service will accept you into flight school without a 4 year degree unless you are close to a degree and are enlisted in that particular branch. It is VERY competitive so be prepared to fight for the slot.

I wish you the best of luck!

Trigged offers good advice.  checkmark 

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: Venus6971
Posted 2009-06-24 14:35:57 and read 8084 times.

Going to college and getting a 4 year degree should be your goal right now. The Air Force ROTC is a option and probably your best at getting wings but be beware Air Force needs always come first. USAFA grads are assured of a slot and if any left over they are doled out to ROTC. Also be aware that you can get wings and end up flying a UAV sitting in a trailer in the Nevada desert. Had a troop who did the enlisted to cockpit route, he was a Crew Chief for a couple years then got excepted to the USAFA prep school then later the academy. 5 years later he is flying a T-37, T-1 then later the KC-135. How committed are you?

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: EMBQA
Posted 2009-06-24 17:14:41 and read 8075 times.



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 6):
The rest of his post was well written and grammatically error free.

It is..? You need to look again. But yes, in the grand scheme of things minor...

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: BMI727
Posted 2009-06-25 00:17:36 and read 8027 times.

Just out of curiousity, where does the National Guard get most of their pilots? I have heard that most of them fly for airlines during the week.

Also, where do manufacturers get their test pilots? Do they want people who have been through flight school or do they prefer those with experience in engineering? I would also assume that a lot of civilian test pilots are ex-military types.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: Kingairta
Posted 2009-06-25 06:11:47 and read 7991 times.

I know plenty of Navy pilots who went the ROTC route. As a matter of fact the ratio of ROTC pilots to Acadamy grad pilots is probably close to 15:1.

Navy Reserve pilots for the most part are prior active duty pilots. ANG is a different beast.

Yes quite a few ANG/AFRES/USNR are airline pilots for their day jobs.

As for test pilots they don't train some one fresh. They take a seasoned pilot with an engineering background. That goes for both civilian and military.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: FlybaurLAX
Posted 2009-06-25 20:03:31 and read 7907 times.

I was in AFROTC at Purdue University for 2 years before I dropped, because I couldn't balance my time with the requirements of AFROTC and aeronautical engineering. My grades started to suffer, and I realized there was no point in being in AFROTC if I couldn't get a pilot slot, which wouldn't happen with my grades. So I dropped out and am getting my grades up so I can go to OCS. I realized that for the most part (except most pilots and some really cool guys, the USAF is filled with a bunch of tools). I had more friends in NROTC than AFROTC when I was in it. I think the Navy suits my personality more, and that's why I've decided to go to Navy OCS when I graduate. I realized engineering + rotc = NO LIFE whatsoever, plus I was pretty fed up with all the bullshit they made you do. They said there were only 4 things a week that were "mandatory", but the others were "highly recommended" on attending, which meant if you didn't go you were frowned upon and lowered in standing. I know at Purdue, DET 220 produces one of the higher amount of pilots in ROTC, and I know that the NROTC here at Purdue gave even more slots than the USAF. If you're looking for a college life, but still want to do military, I'd suggest ROTC over an academy.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: Blackbird
Posted 2009-06-27 09:02:33 and read 7823 times.

Having flying experience before joining the military is also recommended. Granted they'll teach you how to fly, but I have been told that people who already have some flying experience tend to fare better.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: Venus6971
Posted 2009-06-27 09:51:33 and read 7814 times.



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 12):
Having flying experience before joining the military is also recommended. Granted they'll teach you how to fly, but I have been told that people who already have some flying experience tend to fare better.

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It will put you ahead of the game, see if the college you go to has a aviation department, if you ever start UPT it is very front loaded and easy to get overloaded if you never touched a acft before. If you ever get a Airframe & Powerplant certificate don't tell them unless for college credit. They will make you a mx officer.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: ZANL188
Posted 2009-06-27 10:08:59 and read 7812 times.



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
I'd recommend you major in English in college. Neither the USAF or USN will take someone as a pilot who writes like that.

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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
and as TopBoom stated, you need to work on your writing skills. Pretty weak....

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Quoting EA772LR (Reply 6):
Come on guys, cut him some slack.

Why? The services won't cut him any slack later, neither will a civilian employer.... He might as well learn it from us where it won't do him any harm.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: VMCA
Posted 2009-06-27 12:41:04 and read 7789 times.



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 12):
Having flying experience before joining the military is also recommended. Granted they'll teach you how to fly, but I have been told that people who already have some flying experience tend to fare better.

Absolutely false! I was a T-38 Instructor and a PIT Instructor and there is no evidence that someone who has any flying experience is better off. The USAF Human Research Lab has done tons of research on trying to use some type of predictors to help the screening for UPT. If I told you what the best characteristics were you would be amazed.

Quoting Dfurco (Thread starter):
I was wondering what type of pre-service education I should achieve to help me on my road.

To be honest, it's a little late now. But, you should give AFROTC/NROTC a shot. There are 4/3/2 year scholarships available, but they are very competitive. I had a 4yr AFROTC scholarship and then went to UPT. But, nothing was guaranteed. The service academies are an option, but if you start looking now it's too late. OCS/OTS is an option but those programs are used to fill pilot slots that are necessary due to USAFA and AFROTC shortfalls.

Take a look at the USAF website, I know there is a ton of info on that.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: Blackbird
Posted 2009-06-27 21:00:28 and read 7751 times.

VMCA,

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Absolutely false! I was a T-38 Instructor and a PIT Instructor and there is no evidence that someone who has any flying experience is better off. The USAF Human Research Lab has done tons of research on trying to use some type of predictors to help the screening for UPT. If I told you what the best characteristics were you would be amazed.

What characteristics tend to be the best?


Blackbird

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: VMCA
Posted 2009-06-28 03:36:51 and read 7720 times.



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 16):
What characteristics tend to be the best?

The following are a partial list and not having them does not imply one's inability to complete UPT.

1) First born
2) Academically superior
3) Good at sports (athletics)
4) Owns or has owned a motorcycle
5) Drives fast

Those traits seemed to be somewhat common. Not having them does not negate one's ability to be a good military pilot.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: Venus6971
Posted 2009-06-28 11:45:08 and read 7692 times.



Quoting VMCA (Reply 17):
The following are a partial list and not having them does not imply one's inability to complete UPT.

1) First born
2) Academically superior
3) Good at sports (athletics)
4) Owns or has owned a motorcycle
5) Drives fast

Those traits seemed to be somewhat common. Not having them does not negate one's ability to be a good military pilot.

Most or all military pilots I have seen and worked and flown with seem they were NOT the nerds or loners in high school we all knew. Of course they have to pass a vision and flight physical that will keep back lesser mortals like myself (nearsighted). Most fighter pilots look like they came from central casting for Top Gun 2 and I see every type of pilot every day from Heavy,fighter, trainer and CAP birds. The CAP guys look like me, retired enlisted not giving up on the dream of flying something for their country. The nerds and loners eventually get to fly but not as a pilot, we call them ABM's in the back of AWACS or JSTAR's known in the community as goats or penguins depending on airframe.

Topic: RE: Info On How Becoming An Air Force Or Navy Pilot
Username: Blackbird
Posted 2009-06-28 13:26:55 and read 7687 times.

VMCA,

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1) First born

Check

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2) Academically superior

Check, straight A's

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3) Good at sports (athletics)

Check

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4) Owns or has owned a motorcycle

Check, I own a Suzuki Hayabusa...

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5) Drives fast

On a motorcycle, yes, on a car, I tend to drive properly, although I have the reflexes to drive quickly (I just don't want to get tickets or points on liscence)


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