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Topic: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: Zeke
Posted 2009-11-09 20:32:26 and read 8716 times.

Toady's SCMP has an article stating that Pakistan will buy up to 150 Chengdu J-10 depending on the final price. It seems that LM has lost out with its bid to re-quip the PAF with new F-16s.


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This is an interesting development, the J-10 which is thought to have development links with the IAL Lavi
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as well as a F-16 that was reverse engineered (obtained from Pakistan in the 1990s).


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Looks like US military exports has helped China to build a competitive "Chinese Copy" of the F-16, which is now beating the "brand name" aircraft in serious orders.

original article (subscription only) http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP...D&vgnextfmt=teaser&ss=China&s=News

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: L-188
Posted 2009-11-09 21:14:35 and read 8705 times.

Well in a geo-political word it probably isn't that surprising.

Pakistan has been burnt by US embargos from time to time and they have bought significant Chinese junk in the past.

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: Spudh
Posted 2009-11-10 01:22:18 and read 8649 times.

Thats got to be all down to $$$$$'s and bang for your buck. The J-10 has probably got conservatively 85% of the capability (probably superior close in a2a) of the F-16 and is probably between 60 and 70% of the cost. Its got to make financial sense from a banking perspective alone.

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: Lumberton
Posted 2009-11-10 02:26:56 and read 8619 times.

Did the Russians finally agree to let them transfer the engine?

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: Spacepope
Posted 2009-11-10 05:49:22 and read 8546 times.



Quoting Lumberton (Reply 3):
Did the Russians finally agree to let them transfer the engine?

I thought the engine spat was all over the FC-1 (JF-17).

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: Acheron
Posted 2009-11-10 14:59:00 and read 8389 times.



Quoting Zeke (Thread starter):
competitive "Chinese Copy" of the F-16

At this point, with the J-10B, I'd hardly consider it a "chinese copy". I think its the chinese aircraft with most potential(except for the J-11 but that is an exact copy of the Flanker, anyway).



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Quoting Lumberton (Reply 3):
Did the Russians finally agree to let them transfer the engine?



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 4):
I thought the engine spat was all over the FC-1 (JF-17).

It is. The problem with J-10, its related to the development of the WS-10A as a replacement of the AL-31F engine.

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: DEVILFISH
Posted 2009-11-16 20:27:43 and read 7886 times.

Maybe the NSAWC should acquire some for DACT?  


Now, even the movie has a spin-off.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/as...deo-chinas-top-gun-features-3.html

I wonder if there's an equivalent word for "maverick" in Mandarin...   

[Edited 2009-11-16 20:33:43]

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: cobra27
Posted 2015-07-19 01:00:09 and read 1112 times.

Nice news for chinese, I am guesing that this is the biggest order for a Chinese aircraft in history?

I it true that in the past (am not sure about the date) the Pakistans ordered and payed for the F-16, but the US refused to deliver them and kjept the money?

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: ThePointblank
Posted 2015-07-19 03:24:52 and read 1032 times.

Quoting cobra27 (Reply 7):
Nice news for chinese, I am guesing that this is the biggest order for a Chinese aircraft in history?

For a pure Chinese designed aircraft? Yep. For the biggest Chinese aircraft order? Nope; Pakistan owns about 180 J-7's, which are clones of the MiG-21.

Quoting cobra27 (Reply 7):
I it true that in the past (am not sure about the date) the Pakistans ordered and payed for the F-16, but the US refused to deliver them and kjept the money?

That occurred over Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, and US Government regulations at the time that prohibited providing military aid to a nation with known nuclear weapons. Those restrictions were eased, and then lifted post 9/11.

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: Ozair
Posted 2015-07-19 03:37:25 and read 1027 times.

Quoting cobra27 (Reply 7):
Nice news for chinese, I am guesing that this is the biggest order for a Chinese aircraft in history?

I it true that in the past (am not sure about the date) the Pakistans ordered and payed for the F-16, but the US refused to deliver them and kjept the money?

6 years later and still no J-10s in Pakistan, not that I'm surprised. The J-10 still doesn't have an export order and I think we can step back from the wild claims of 6 years ago and realize that China has an aircraft that suits their needs but it struggles to compete on the open market against both new and used competitors for a whole slew of reasons.

Topic: RE: Pakistan To Buy Up To 150 Chengdu J-10s
Username: GDB
Posted 2015-07-19 03:47:11 and read 1019 times.

No chance I suppose that the next time a certain Israeli leader makes his demands, interferes in internal US politics, while having his hand open for all those tax $, any questions will be asked about the supply of IAI Lavi technology to China?
(Which meant given the large amounts of US tech in that abortive program, it was American military technology).
In the 1990's what looked like a Lavi was even spotted in China.

Can you image a collective exploding of heads if tech from say, the Typhoon, or Rafale had found it's way to China and not through espionage?
Especially the latter given what many in the US seem to think about the French.
And there they were, remember, all those 'Lawmakers' changing the names of things like 'Freedom Fries', to avoid using that F word they don't like.

Too dumb to know how they've been played by that other nation that should be dubbed, like Pakistan, a 'Frenemy' but somehow they are not.


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