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Topic: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: wahdadli
Posted 2012-11-17 05:19:27 and read 5071 times.

I was wondering what route will he take once he takes off from the east coast.

Will he continue east or go west? fuel stops?

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: B4REAL
Posted 2012-11-17 05:23:35 and read 5084 times.

No fuel stops on AF1 baby! VC-25A It is capable of air-to-air refueling, way less risk than getting on the ground.

[Edited 2012-11-17 05:24:04]

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-17 05:27:17 and read 5084 times.

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 1):
No fuel stops on AF1 baby! VC-25A It is capable of air-to-air refueling, way less risk than getting on the ground



Though it has the capability , it has never refuel in-flight. Strictly for emergency use.

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: B4REAL
Posted 2012-11-17 05:29:25 and read 5084 times.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 2):
Though it has the capability , it has never refuel in-flight. Strictly for emergency use.

Interesting! Didn't know that.

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: plateman
Posted 2012-11-17 05:34:43 and read 5084 times.

On a usual Asia trip he stops at one of the Air Force Base's in Alaska, typically Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson.

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: plateman
Posted 2012-11-17 05:52:57 and read 5084 times.

But I can CONFIRM on this trip he is stopping in Germany for fuel.

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: trex8
Posted 2012-11-17 06:19:09 and read 5083 times.

Might he stop in HNL on way back for a vacation?

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: plateman
Posted 2012-11-17 06:22:53 and read 5083 times.

Quoting trex8 (Reply 6):
Might he stop in HNL on way back for a vacation?

Can't tell if sarcasm or not, but no, he's working right through. Lands very late at Andrews and pardon's a turkey Wednesday.

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: wahdadli
Posted 2012-11-17 06:29:51 and read 5083 times.

Quoting plateman (Reply 7):

very true.

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: wahdadli
Posted 2012-11-17 06:31:40 and read 5083 times.

Another question... does AF1 (yes i know AF1 is any aircraft with the president onboard) fly at typically higher altitudes?

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: rwessel
Posted 2012-11-18 00:48:12 and read 5080 times.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 2):
Though it has the capability , it has never refuel in-flight. Strictly for emergency use.

While the VC-25s have probably not ever been air-to-air refueled with the president on board (or likely on any operational mission), they've certainly done it in test and training.

[Edited 2012-11-18 00:49:40]

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: wahdadli
Posted 2012-11-20 03:16:45 and read 5078 times.

So now that the secretary of state is off to Israel, what aircraft is she on?

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: bikerthai
Posted 2012-11-20 06:22:47 and read 5077 times.

Never really thought about it but the 747 seems to be the only airplane with the refueling receptacle in front of the pilot. Not including all the probe aircraft of course.

bt

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: garnetpalmetto
Posted 2012-11-20 07:10:39 and read 5077 times.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 12):


Never really thought about it but the 747 seems to be the only airplane with the refueling receptacle in front of the pilot. Not including all the probe aircraft of course.

A-10s have the receptacle in front of the pilot as does the B-1.

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: Cadet985
Posted 2012-11-20 18:49:32 and read 5050 times.

Quoting wahdadli (Reply 11):
So now that the secretary of state is off to Israel, what aircraft is she on?

I'd guess that she's on a C-32 (757), although I have seen pics of her travelling on a C-17 with interior mods.

In theory, she also could have used the back-up VC-25, although I don't know how the Secret Service/Air Force would feel about that.

Marc

[Edited 2012-11-20 19:08:41]

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: Max Q
Posted 2012-11-20 21:17:01 and read 5013 times.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 14):

In theory, she also could have used the back-up VC-25, although I don't know how the Secret Service/Air Force would feel about that.

How would it be a back up if she was using it ?!

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: Cadet985
Posted 2012-11-21 07:54:23 and read 4943 times.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 15):
How would it be a back up if she was using it ?!

He could have figured that since the primary carries enough spare parts (seriously...it carries spares of any part that might break down), and that the C-32 lacks the range to make it from Southeast Asia to the Middle East (considering that it would be flying against a headwind and over some not-so-friendly countries), that he could sacrifice the spare VC-25.

Using Google Earth, I figure it to be some 3358.07 miles on a heading of 296 from Burma (which is where I believe where Hillary left from) to TLV. That's a straight line flight which would take it over such countries as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, etc...countries that we might be hesitant to fly our VIP's over.

The only other way she could have gone would have been on a C-17.

Marc

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: wahdadli
Posted 2012-11-21 12:27:26 and read 4906 times.

I think She took the c-32

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: dkswim
Posted 2012-11-21 13:40:10 and read 4879 times.

c-32 has inflight refuling capability and unrefuled range of 5,500nm

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: paparadzi
Posted 2012-11-21 18:20:43 and read 4820 times.

In Cambodia the Air Force One is parked next to other executive B747s.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/paparadzi/Aircraft/2012/Tails_PNH.jpg

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-11-22 11:55:24 and read 4690 times.

I got a chance to see Air Force One depart out of Don Mueang Monday morning.

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: Max Q
Posted 2012-11-24 20:28:17 and read 4428 times.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 16):

He could have figured that since the primary carries enough spare parts (seriously...it carries spares of any part that might break down), and that the C-32 lacks the range to make it from Southeast Asia to the Middle East (considering that it would be flying against a headwind and over some not-so-friendly countries), that he could sacrifice the spare VC-25.

Not my point, the second VC25 is a back up for the first when it's operating as AF1.


So it can't be a back up for anything else.

Topic: RE: President Obama's Asia Trip
Username: bikerthai
Posted 2012-11-26 06:25:52 and read 4225 times.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 16):

The only other way she could have gone would have been on a C-17.
Quoting dkswim (Reply 18):
c-32 has inflight refuling capability and unrefuled range of 5,500nm

They could have easily refuel in QATAR if needed.

bt


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