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Topic: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: jumpjet
Posted 2012-11-28 02:29:44 and read 6997 times.

I've just heard on the BBC news that the British farmer, David Cundall, has found the 36 brand new crated MkXIV Spitfires buried by the RAF in Burma at the end of the second world war. What a modern treasure hunt story!

Here's the background story to today's news...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Spitfires-buried-jungle-grave.html

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-11-28 07:22:44 and read 6876 times.

This is wonderful news.

What can I say?

Thank you Burma/Myanmar for preserving these Spitfires - even so unwillingly!

     

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: redflyer
Posted 2012-11-28 08:43:59 and read 6827 times.

So who legally owns them at this point? I presume Myanmar, but from the article it would appear they will give them back, probably for some kind of fee. But would the UK government claim them or will this gentleman, Mr. Cundall, have unfettered claim to the prize as the finder?

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: Spacepope
Posted 2012-11-28 08:58:05 and read 6814 times.

More importantly, what condition are they in. I'm expecting a corroded mass in rotten buried crates, but I'm prepared to be surprised.

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: moo
Posted 2012-11-28 09:57:10 and read 6771 times.

Quoting redflyer (Reply 2):

So who legally owns them at this point? I presume Myanmar, but from the article it would appear they will give them back, probably for some kind of fee. But would the UK government claim them or will this gentleman, Mr. Cundall, have unfettered claim to the prize as the finder?

The deal is apparently that Burma get half of the recovered aircraft to sell, and as for the ownership issue, it could easily be argued that the British Government abandoned them when they failed to recover them and then lost all knowledge of their location - and that ignores any transfer of ownership that may have occured when they were shipped to Burma in the first place (hence they may have been owned by the Burmese Government in the first place).

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: rfields5421
Posted 2012-11-28 11:08:42 and read 6719 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 4):
they may have been owned by the Burmese Government in the first place

There was no Burmese Government until 1948.

In 1945 when the planes were presumably shipped - it was a British colony.

However, I agree the British would have lost title to them as abandoned war materials and abandoned colonial possesions when Burma became an independent nation in 1948.

Unlike most former British colonies - Burma did not join the commonwealth.

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: kanban
Posted 2012-11-28 14:27:16 and read 6562 times.

Wasn't all this discussed months ago under a thread with an ambiguous title.. like PM goes to Myanmar?

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: tmoney
Posted 2012-11-28 17:51:07 and read 6453 times.

According to BBC they are as good as new. But knowing Burma's weather all too well I wouldn't be surprised.

link with vid: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20532791

The Brits (and the Burmese) always had a record of where they were buried. Actually the location was quite public to anyone curious enough. My grandfather was a Spitfire pilot in the Burmese airforce back in the day and a couple American warbird enthusiasts have approached him to help them recover. But it was when Burma under Snr General Than Shwe so things were harder.

Now with the sales the money is going to my gov (and it's big money!) so I really do pray that ₤₤₤ don't get used to feed the white elephant of the current capital or some former-general-turned-civilian gov guy importing new Lambos.

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: jumpjet
Posted 2012-11-29 03:12:04 and read 6262 times.

According to today's Telegraph they've put a camera down and seen an aircraft.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/w...e-flying-again-in-three-years.html

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2012-11-29 12:03:35 and read 6026 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 6):
Wasn't all this discussed months ago under a thread with an ambiguous title.. like PM goes to Myanmar?

That thread focused on the PM discussing the Myanar Govt allowing the English prospector that permission to excavate the Spits. he had previously located them but was unable to get permits to excavate and export them.

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: Dreadnought
Posted 2012-11-29 19:50:52 and read 5863 times.

Quoting jumpjet (Thread starter):
36 brand new crated MkXIV Spitfires

Very cool. The Mark XIV was a great plane - equal to the P-51D at least (although shorter legs). Finding 36 that could be made flyable would be a great prize. According to this web site, there are currently only 5 flyable Mark XIVs still around

http://www.deroeck.co.uk/Spitfire-Story-01.html

Sadly, only a single Mark I Spitfire (the one that fought the Battle of Britain) is still flying.

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: moo
Posted 2012-11-30 04:34:28 and read 5713 times.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
Sadly, only a single Mark I Spitfire (the one that fought the Battle of Britain) is still flying.

Just a quick note to say that the MkII did indeed take part in the BoB as a few frontline squadrons were equipped with them in August and September 1940, with the bulk of the marks deliveries coming afterward.

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: Agill
Posted 2012-12-02 02:43:14 and read 5182 times.

Feels like the search and salvage of these planes can become a very interesting book sometime in the future.

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: GDB
Posted 2012-12-02 09:51:38 and read 5091 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 11):
ust a quick note to say that the MkII did indeed take part in the BoB as a few frontline squadrons were equipped with them in August and September 1940, with the bulk of the marks deliveries coming afterward.

Indeed;

http://www.sirkeithpark.com/media/SK...OfPilotsAndHistoriesOfAircraft.pdf

And as noted, there is a Battle Of Britain veteran Hurricane flying now too. Even more impressively with 5 enemy aircraft kills to it's credit.

Topic: RE: Burma Spitfires Found!
Username: MD11Engineer
Posted 2012-12-02 12:34:29 and read 5034 times.

I remember having read about ten years ago about some fishermen off the Australian coast, who´s nets snagged on boxes filled with F4U Corsairs and other US made fighters, which got dumped there after WW2, still in their shipping crates, covered with corrosion preventive compound. Later divers went down there to investigate. The aircraft have apparently been dumped there due to the rules of the lend-lease agreement, which stipulated that at the end of the hostilities, Britain and her dependents had either to buy the hardware (not possible, no cash), return it to the US (the US didn´t want it back, they had enough planes of their own) or to destroy it.
From what I remember, the Australian military and government declared the area off limits and banned any recovery operation.
I understand that suddenly having a few dozen perfect condition warbirds coming on the market would really destroy the value of the existing and restored aircraft, so I think their owners were quite happy (and maybe involved in this decision).

Jan


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