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Topic: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: kanban
Posted 2012-11-06 13:52:44 and read 5350 times.

Per http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ssia-for-indian-helo-contract.aspx India has added to it's military aircraft buys from Boeing.. Good news

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-11-15 10:57:11 and read 5350 times.

I didn't notice this one go by.

Great news for the Chinook program!

Also I can imagine India will be very happy with the Chinook.

Seems Boeing and India are getting along quite well:

Quote:

The news follows up October's report that Boeing will sell India 22 AH-64D Apache attack helicopters, in a deal valued at $1.3 billion. Prior to that deal, the company had also signed on to provide the Indian military with 10 C-17 Globemaster III transportation aircraft. And before that, Boeing won a $2.1 billion deal to supply P-8I subhunting aircraft.

All great gear for a great nation!

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: bikerthai
Posted 2012-11-15 11:04:04 and read 5350 times.

The local A-neters were on top of this . . .

CH-47F For IAF Heavy Helos (by garudaa Oct 29 2012 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

bt

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: BigJKU
Posted 2012-11-15 13:24:18 and read 5350 times.

Can't have hurt that Boeing can pitch a successful mission with the thing into the heart of Pakistan in the middle of the night to India. I am sure that does not hurt in their eyes.

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-11-16 05:55:38 and read 5349 times.

I think the 2008 Mumbai attacks have shaped a lot of India's purchases.

It seems to me that maritime surveillance aircraft and attack helicopters fit into that picture well.

The Chinooks seem to be there to support counter-attacks and other more traditional activities that they had been using the Mil helicopters for, except the Chinooks will be a lot easier to maintain from what I understand.

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: SavannahMark
Posted 2012-12-02 09:30:30 and read 4929 times.

These new Chinooks for India are new air frames or rebuilds?

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: bikerthai
Posted 2012-12-04 06:22:16 and read 4725 times.

Quoting SavannahMark (Reply 5):
These new Chinooks for India are new air frames or rebuilds?

I believe they are new frames.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
The Chinooks seem to be there to support counter-attacks and other more traditional activities

I would venture to guess that these Chinooks will see more disaster relief deployments than real life shooting war deployments. These would be great for relief supplies to flooded areas.

bt

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: BarfBag
Posted 2012-12-04 09:50:56 and read 4689 times.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 6):
I would venture to guess that these Chinooks will see more disaster relief deployments than real life shooting war deployments. These would be great for relief supplies to flooded areas.

High altitude capability will be a determinant of the Chinook's role. What is the effective operational ceiling of the Chinook with a full load ? IA's Dhruv MK3s have a service ceiling of greater than 25000ft, in order to conduct Ladakh and Siachen operations.
Dhruv wiki

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The Dhruv is required to fly at high altitudes, a crucial requirement for the Army to operate around the Siachen Glacier and Kashmir region. In September 2007, the Dhruv Mk.3 was cleared for high-altitude flying in the Siachen Sector after six months of trials.[43][44] In October 2007, a Dhruv Mk.3 flew to an altitude of 27,500 feet (8,400 m) ASL in Siachen;[45] two years earlier a HAL Cheetal (the HAL Cheetah powered by the Shakti engine) had set a world altitude record, landing at 25,150 feet (7,670 m) on Sasar Kangi peak in Siachen.[citation needed] An Indian Army report in 2009 criticised the performance of the Dhruv, stating: "The ALH was not able to fly above 5,000m, though the army's requirements stipulated an ability to fly up to 6,500m"; this has been blamed on the TM333 engine, the Army had to continue relying on the older Cheetah/Cheetal helicopters to meet the shortfall.[46] The more powerful Shakti engine has since been introduced on the Dhruv Mk.3; on one test it carried 600 kg load to Sonam Post against the Army's target of 200 kg.[47] The first batch of Dhruv Mk.3's was received by the Indian Army during Aero India 2011.[48]

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: bikerthai
Posted 2012-12-04 10:56:39 and read 4677 times.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 7):

Some information on altitude operation can be found here"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../systems/aircraft/mh-47d-specs.htm

and linked to here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...tems/aircraft/density-altitude.htm

"Translational flight, or normal forward flight without hovering, is limited to about 30,000 feet, but rarely do helicopters operate at such altitudes. "

But probably with reduced payloads.

bt

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: mffoda
Posted 2012-12-05 17:41:57 and read 4560 times.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 8):

Nothing against your links, But that is all 25yo CH-47D model specs... You be looking at F/G model specs for a more recent view.

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: bikerthai
Posted 2012-12-06 06:45:14 and read 4453 times.

Quoting mffoda (Reply 9):
You be looking at F/G model specs for a more recent view.

So in theory, the performance would be better . . . yes?   

Tried to find the F/G performance data at 25,000 ft . . . no luck.

bt

Topic: RE: India Buys 15 Chinooks
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2012-12-06 10:00:24 and read 4424 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 1):
Seems Boeing and India are getting along quite well:

Not in the commercial sector but the military sector too ....


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