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Topic: H-60 Helicopters
Username: Cancidas
Posted 2003-08-16 06:25:46 and read 3790 times.

is there anything more to a h-60 designation that that? other then the obvious: HH-60, UH-60. i'm looking for more detail of the specific model of the a/c.

Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: L-188
Posted 2003-08-16 07:00:34 and read 3727 times.

Try Sikorsky's website....

http://www.sikorsky.com/sac/Home/0,3170,CLI1_DIV69_ETI541,00.html


They have some pretty good infor under the military products page.

Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: Lt-AWACS
Posted 2003-08-16 07:08:16 and read 3705 times.

You hit most of the ones I know
Well there is HH-60J Jayhawk that the Coast Guard uses
HH-60G Pavehawks of the Air Force and Air National Guard
UH-60 versions for the Army -BlackHawk.

The MH-60G:
The USAF had a small number converted to MH-60G standard with FLIR and such. the 16th SOW at Hurlburt Field had them. I don't know if they still fly them or not as that unit is deactivated. MH-53s do most of the infiltration and extraction work now. We used one MH-60G to help resuce the downed F-117 pilot in 1999. According to one book I have, 3 are still used to patrol Groom Lake, Nevada Tails 90-26222, 90-26223, 91-26352.

I know the US Customs service has some H-60s based on and around the US border (San Angelo, TX is one base for example). Though I don't know their official designation.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Lt-now Capt  Smile-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate

Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: L-188
Posted 2003-08-16 07:29:15 and read 3699 times.

I believe that the foreign ones and the Customs ones are all technically S-70's, which is just the Sikorsky designation.

The two main subdivisions of the helicopters are the UH-60 and the SH-60

The UH-60 is the main Army variant. There are a couple of variations, the original A, the up rated L and a medivac Q version. The MH-60's and the HH-60G's are based on this model. The Maple Hawk was a proposed Canadian version of the HH-60G that lost to the EH-101.

The SH-60 is a naval version. It features a folding tail and rotor system. The SH60B is the original naval anti-sub version, the SH-60F is equip with a dipping sonar and replaces Sea Kings on carriers for the anti-sub role. The HH-60H is designed with seal team transport and insertion in mind. It has the same small doors that the SH-60 has, The HH-60J is the USCG rescue variant and is pretty similar.

There has also been flown a proposed CH-60 for the navy. This combines the Army UH-60 cabin with the rotor system of the SH-60. This is intended, if adopted, to replace the Ch-46 in the VERTEP role. This variant is unique among naval models since it retains the army tailwheel.
Also I forgot to mention that the forestry people in California have to "Firehawks" that are S-70's equipped with an internal tank system for firefighting.

You also have the HH-60H with is the SH-60 Airframe meant for

Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: Woodreau
Posted 2003-08-16 09:29:21 and read 3683 times.

There are two versions of the SH-60 as L-188 has mentioned. The SH-60B and SH-60F. The -60B is the more versatile variant of the two. The -60F being more limited and quite useless to me as a tactical operator.

In addition to the sonobuoys and two torpedoes that the -60F carries, the -60B also carries extra sensors that the -60F does not. It carries a surface search radar, ES sensors, MAD gear and a SHF datalink which allow the -60B helicopter to be integrated into a ship's weapon/sensor system which multiplies its and the ship's capability. Block 1 models of the -60B (and upgraded Block 0 -60B helos) also incorporate a FLIR/laser designator and can carry up to 4 Hellfire or 1 Penguin missile which allow the Block 1 -60B to be used as an armed helicopter against surface threats.

A SH-60B will have a RAST probe to allow it to be winched down for a landing in up to sea state 5 (e.g. deck pitching and rolling +/- 20-25 degrees) (Beartrap as someone else in the forum has said. I think in a different thread.)

One way to tell the difference between a naval SH-60 and a land-based UH-60 by the position of the tail wheel. The SH-60 will have the tail wheel towards the middle of the aircraft (as opposed to the end of the aircraft) so that the helicopter will fit on the smaller flight decks found on destroyers and frigates.

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Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: L-188
Posted 2003-08-16 09:33:16 and read 3689 times.

Isn't the navy talking about rebuilding all the SH60B and SH60F airframes to a single standard?

The forward tailwheel to the front is nice for shipboard operations but having at the end makes a flaring a landing that much safer since you don't have to worry about damaging the boom if it taps.

I understand that is one drawback they have with those HH-60H's, they just can't get in as quickly as an army MH since they can't do a steep flare close in to the ground to bleed off speed.

Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: Woodreau
Posted 2003-08-16 09:44:30 and read 3667 times.

There is a SH-60R that will be replacing the B and F models. Most will be rebuilds, some new construction from what I hear. I'd imagine that they'd keep a lot of the capabilities of the B model.

Cheers  Smile

Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: L-188
Posted 2003-08-16 09:51:15 and read 3683 times.

Makes sense.

The only reason for the F models was to hang a dipping sonar for the carriers, so the could get rid of the Sea Kings.

You realize that the SH-60 was the first navy anti-submarine helicopter that was developed, where the airframe manufacturer was not the primary contractor.

Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: Cancidas
Posted 2003-08-16 16:09:17 and read 3671 times.

so that's it, just a letter at the end to indicate the model?

Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: Alpha
Posted 2003-08-16 16:27:43 and read 3666 times.

You also have VH-60N version, for VIP flights, like Marine One flights with President on board (squadron HMX-1 of USMC) :


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Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: 2912n
Posted 2003-08-16 21:19:02 and read 3656 times.

The US Navy is trying to move to one basic platform for all of it's helicopter needs. The CH-46 is being replaced by the MH-60S. (The last Navy -46 pilots were trained last year. The USMC will continue to operate the -46 for the time being.) The MH-60S has the tail wheel mounted to the rear, like the Army version. Primary roles will include ship to ship resupply (vertrep), Search and Rescue, air assaults and spec warfare support.

The H-60B and SH=60F are the ASW platforms. They can have the Penguin or Hellfire missiles aboard.

The HH-60F does not do ASW but is equipped with FLIR, additional armor etc...It specializes in CSAR and spec warfare support.

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Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: L-188
Posted 2003-08-17 16:35:16 and read 3648 times.

HH-60F, that is the spec ops one, doh!

I would have thought that the army cabin would have been better for that role then the navy doors, since they are that much bigger on the land version.

Topic: RE: H-60 Helicopters
Username: 2912n
Posted 2003-08-17 18:43:21 and read 3672 times.

I am making a semi-educated guess here that the MH-60S will do most of the troop hauling with the -60F providing escort and delivering small SEAL groups on missions.


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