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Topic: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2006-01-29 08:14:39 and read 3075 times.

The following is an interesting article on what to name America's new spaceship:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3217961/

What are your opinions? Apollo? Artemis? Prometheus? Ares? Zeus?

Thanks for your comments.

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: GDB
Posted 2006-01-29 18:49:44 and read 3027 times.

Ares.
Consider, though the CEV is only for now slated for Earth orbit and hopefully, Lunar missions, there is a long term goal of manned Mars missions, of which CEV would be a component.

Ares has Martian connotations, Zubrin's 'Mars Direct' proposal (partly adopted by NASA), named his SRB/SSME derived booster 'Ares', something very similar now planned, is referred to as 'Longfellow'.

Steven Baxter's alternate history Mars landing in 1986 novel, (which NASA staffers provided help in Baxter's planning and research), called that project 'Ares'.

Away from fiction, Apollo originated as a follow on to Mercury, the 3 man spacecraft Studies under project 'Apollo' pre dated JFK's Moon landing announcement by some time.
For Earth orbit, though Moon missions were in the backs of a few minds, but deemed unlikely, before JFK's 1961 announcement.
(Had Shepard beat Gagarin, unlikely that JFK would have thrown down that challenge).

Prior to the 1961 announcement, the rough plan was to eventually go from Mercury to Apollo, if manned flight still existed after Mercury.

Gemini was a result of the Moon race, the need to conduct much more advanced orbital, endurance and rendevous work, with not enough time with the 'before this decade is out' time limit, to wait for the much more advanced Apollo.

So Apollo's origin's were not specific to reaching the Moon, it was just a hope some had.
CEV is coming without a definite Mars landing project, not even a rough schedule, but since some have dubbed CEV 'Apollo 2.0' (meant to denigrate, but I see it as a compliment), why not call it 'Ares?'

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: Thorny
Posted 2006-01-29 21:19:46 and read 3002 times.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The following is an interesting article on what to name America's new spaceship:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3217961/

What are your opinions? Apollo? Artemis? Prometheus? Ares? Zeus?

MSNBC didn't do its homework. The new Moon/Mars program already has a name: Constellation.

(Prometheus, by the way, is already in use as NASA's nuclear propulsion project, and therefore might end up associated with the Mars program regardless.)

The individual spacecraft will probably get formal NASA names instead of being named by the crew, since their goal is to fly each ten times or so. My vote for NASA naming the CEVs themselves is to name them after fallen astronauts...

CEV-101 Grissom
CEV-102 White
CEV-103 Chaffee
CEV-104 Scobee

...and so on.

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: DfwRevolution
Posted 2006-01-29 21:44:26 and read 2995 times.

Quoting GDB (Reply 1):
Ares has Martian connotations, Zubrin's 'Mars Direct' proposal (partly adopted by NASA), named his SRB/SSME derived booster 'Ares', something very similar now planned, is referred to as 'Longfellow'.

The booster was called Magnum, I think Ares was, however, the name of some sort of booster/transport in the early Mars Direct or NASA Semi-Direct concepts.

That being said, I'm not crazy about the CEV being dubbed "Ares."

Quoting Thorny (Reply 2):
The individual spacecraft will probably get formal NASA names instead of being named by the crew, since their goal is to fly each ten times or so

I like that as well...

I also think it would be cool if they named the first prototype Enterprise like they did the Shuttle. I've never been much of a Trekie, but I think it's cool how pop culture occassionaly rubs off on real life.

I'm not too excited about dead astronauts, though. Seems a bit morbid. Astronauts are well aware of the risks they are taking, I question if naming their vehicle after a dead colleague is psychologically healthy?

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: Bobster2
Posted 2006-01-29 23:01:37 and read 2981 times.

Quoting Thorny (Reply 2):
MSNBC didn't do its homework. The new Moon/Mars program already has a name: Constellation

Nasa didn't do their homework either. They alread have a project called Constellation-X Observatory. Big grin

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: Thorny
Posted 2006-01-30 00:00:20 and read 2970 times.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
I'm not too excited about dead astronauts, though. Seems a bit morbid. Astronauts are well aware of the risks they are taking, I question if naming their vehicle after a dead colleague is psychologically healthy?

The Navy does it frequently. Ever serve on the USS The Sullivans?

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2006-02-02 07:11:20 and read 2810 times.

It's also occurred to me that the Navy names its largest submarines after American States. (Ships of the Ohio class.) That would be one possible naming scheme for individual spaceships.

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: Centrair
Posted 2006-02-03 07:26:17 and read 2743 times.

I personally would like the ships to be named by their crew. If NASA came up with official names for each craft/mission, I think they would not "inspire" as much. If the crew is allowed to do so, we can identify with the crew and their character. Astronauts have been creative and respectful about the names of their spacecrafts in the past.

Freedom 7, Liberty Bell 7, Friendship 7, Aurora 7, Sigma 7, Faith 7, Unsinkable Molly Brown, Bubblegum & Spider, Charlie Brown & Snoopy, Eagle & Columbia, Yankee Clipper & Intrepid, Odyssey & Aquarius, Kitty Hawk & Antares, Endeavour & Falcon, Casper & Orion, & America & Challenger

Only Gemini 2~12, Apollo 7 & 8 and Skylab did not have names for their spacecraft.

Apollo crafts had internal numbers "ship XXX" etc, and the crew named it but they didn't put any label on the craft or anything like that. Maybe they do the same thing for Constellation. The ship has an internal number "reg" and the crew gives it a "mission name". There are different missions set for Constellation; orbital, ISS, lunar and Mars.

But then you do run into the problem of hundreds of names that will need to be thought up by crews. In theory there could be hundreds of crafts of the life of the program.

If I were an astronaut and given the task of naming my spacecraft, I would name it "Explorer". But if it was a minor mission with most of the world not paying attention, I would name it "PacMan" or "Papa Smurf".

Would the CEV be called the CEV or Constellation Class Spacecraft?
Maybe missions will be Constellation 1, 2, 3... But that would get boring once they got to Constellation 156. I hope that if NASA names the spacecrafts, they give them names that reflect Constellations, Cities, States, Birds or the goals of the mission set.

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2006-02-03 11:23:28 and read 2735 times.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
I hope that if NASA names the spacecrafts, they give them names that reflect Constellations, Cities, States, Birds or the goals of the mission set.

As long as the names are consistent, I think. Perhaps cities would be more practical than States, because there are a plethora of cities in the U.S., from New York all the way down to small cities of just a few thousand. (Anything smaller than a few thousand, I would call a town.) And, why limit it to U.S. cities? Why not cities of the world? Especially for missions with an international crew.  Smile

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: Centrair
Posted 2006-02-03 15:42:54 and read 2726 times.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
Why not cities of the world? Especially for missions with an international crew.

Constellation Lunar Mission Command ship: "Marshfield" (For some reason my home town doesn't work there.

Constellation Lunar Mission Command ship: "Tokyo" ...needs something else
Constellation Lunar Mission Command ship: "Tokyo Space Samurai" ... there we go.

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: Thorny
Posted 2006-02-03 20:21:33 and read 2713 times.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
I personally would like the ships to be named by their crew.

Except that it is considered (by some) bad luck to rename a ship. With each CEV aiming for about 10 flights, that means the first crew would name the ship for all crews thereafter. If that's going to happen, NASA will certainly be naming the ship, not the crew.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
Freedom 7, Liberty Bell 7, Friendship 7, Aurora 7, Sigma 7, Faith 7, Unsinkable Molly Brown, Bubblegum & Spider, Charlie Brown & Snoopy, Eagle & Columbia, Yankee Clipper & Intrepid, Odyssey & Aquarius, Kitty Hawk & Antares, Endeavour & Falcon, Casper & Orion, & America & Challenger

Only Gemini 2~12, Apollo 7 & 8 and Skylab did not have names for their spacecraft.

"Molly Brown" (Gemini 3) was very unofficial and led to NASA forbidding the crews naming of their spacecraft until Apollo 9, when two spacecraft were operating simultaneously and both couldn't be called "Apollo 9" by Mission Control. Gemini 5 had an unofficial name, "Conestoga". A Conestoga wagon still appeared on the mission emblem. Wally Schirra argued to Apollo 7 to have the callsign "Phoenix" but lost the argument or didn't consider it important enough to fight for. Deke Slayton's cancelled Mercury flight was to be called "Delta 7".

Apollo 9's Command Module was "Gumdrop", not "Bubblegum" (this might be something lost in translation.)

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
Would the CEV be called the CEV or Constellation Class Spacecraft?

No. Project Constellation will feature at least two completely different spacecraft: the CEV and the LSAM (lunar lander). Their might be a Constellation Command/Service Module and a Constellation Lunar Module, but they won't be the same class.
More likely, the competing companies will give their spacecraft an in-house name which might carry over to official NASA use.
I think we'll get official word on this once NASA selects the CEV contractor.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
Maybe missions will be Constellation 1, 2, 3...

Yes, almost certainly. We'll probably hear something like "3..2..1.. liftoff! Liftoff of Constellation 1 on its Delta IV launch vehicle!"

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: David L
Posted 2006-02-03 21:00:00 and read 2709 times.

No votes for "Blazing Saddles", then?  Sad

Topic: RE: What To Name America's New Spaceship?
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2006-02-03 21:21:13 and read 2706 times.

To get around the numerosity problem, apparently each CEV command module can be used and re-used up to a total of ten times.  Smile


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