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Topic: Canada To Get A Fleet Of UAVs
Username: FighterPilot
Posted 2007-10-28 12:26:17 and read 3548 times.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/10/24/arctic-drones.html

The Canadian Military plans to purchase a fleet of UAVs to patrol the Arctic.

Cal  airplane 

Topic: RE: Canada To Get A Fleet Of UAVs
Username: CF105Arrow
Posted 2007-10-28 13:52:19 and read 3527 times.

Great news, finally they are Taking Artic sovereignity seriously. The same is needed in Kandahar along with some Chinooks.

[Edited 2007-10-28 13:53:13]

Topic: RE: Canada To Get A Fleet Of UAVs
Username: ZBBYLW
Posted 2007-10-28 13:53:44 and read 3527 times.

Hey Cal, hows it going?

Anyhow I do not know how I feel about this. On one hand I am thrilled that we are stepping up the patrols over our Arctic. On the other hand I would also like to have a base near by where we have a hand full of CF-188s based. I know they use they use the CP-140 to do the patrolling, but know if we have the Predator (or what ever other UAV may be decided upon) the CF-188s could be used more of a response aircraft. Instead of having crew up their permanently, they could go on two week rotations, similar to how YQQ was staffed for a while. The benefit of this is we could cool of Russia, as they are playing around up there quite a bit these days.

Topic: RE: Canada To Get A Fleet Of UAVs
Username: HanginOut
Posted 2007-10-28 15:03:07 and read 3512 times.

I would hope that the two leading candidates for the UAV mission are the Reaper (the latest version of the Predator) and the Global Hawk (although, I'm worried that this one may be out of our price range - but its loitering time would be incredible!).

The Reaper would probably be my choice as it has the ability to shoot at things, whereas the Global Hawk can carry a lot more sensors. Although, if we have the time, we may want to wait and see what the USN does with its BAMS project and just buy the same UAV they pick (and hopefully get a better deal on them by buying in bulk with the USN).

Topic: RE: Canada To Get A Fleet Of UAVs
Username: Oroka
Posted 2007-10-28 21:14:47 and read 3473 times.

Does the Reaper have a air-to-air capacity? As much as I like the idea of the Reaper, I dont think it is what we need. We just need to see what is going on in the area, not armed patrols. If there was a need to project some force in the area, it wouldnt take long to have some CF-188s in the area from Cold Lake.

Best solution IMO:

Artic Tigersharks (laser beams optional)

Topic: RE: Canada To Get A Fleet Of UAVs
Username: Jutes85
Posted 2007-10-28 22:58:21 and read 3461 times.

This is great news, I'm all for UAV's. It keeps me out of the artic circle in the dead of winter.

Topic: RE: Canada To Get A Fleet Of UAVs
Username: MissedApproach
Posted 2007-11-29 16:42:35 and read 3187 times.

From the CanWest News Service:

The Canadian military is recommending that a $1-billion modernization program for the country's fleet of Aurora surveillance aircraft be scrapped and the air force ease back on how it uses the planes so they can be kept flying until a replacement is delivered. The military argues it doesn't make sense to pump more money into the 25-year-old Auroras, noting that by the time the modernized planes are ready, even more advanced technology will be available. There are also concerns about the extent of the structural problems now facing the Auroras.
The military's recommendation is to keep the Auroras flying until 2016 without upgrades while proceeding with the purchase of Poseidon surveillance aircraft, the U.S. navy's successor to its version of the Aurora. Several years ago, Canada was invited by the U.S. to take part in the Poseidon program, but declined.


That doesn't rule out a UAV fleet, but at the rate the current UAV's are crashing, I hope it is only as a supplement to a real patrol plane.

Topic: RE: Canada To Get A Fleet Of UAVs
Username: Blackbird
Posted 2007-11-30 12:55:35 and read 3107 times.

Aurora? You're not talking about that hypothetical hypersonic waverider are you?

Andrea Kent

Topic: RE: Canada To Get A Fleet Of UAVs
Username: MissedApproach
Posted 2007-11-30 14:32:23 and read 3089 times.



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 7):
Aurora? You're not talking about that hypothetical hypersonic waverider are you?

Nope, Aurora is the name of the Canadian version of the P-3. When purchased, instead of carrying the normal P-3 ASW electronics, our aircraft were equipped with the same suite the S-3 Viking carried.
We also have two new-build P-3 airframes that were bought in 1991. Those planes don't carry any ASW equipment, though I believe they have a thermal camera & surface search radar.


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