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Topic: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: Clydenairways
Posted 2008-01-30 12:52:06 and read 4299 times.

Found this on the web and thought it looked cool!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZT4BdI7STE&feature=related

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: FVTu134
Posted 2008-02-02 13:47:56 and read 4034 times.

I'm sure KC135TopBoom is full of envy now at the fun that the French have in the Desert over Chad.  Wink

FVTu135

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: DL021
Posted 2008-02-02 16:12:41 and read 3999 times.

You gotta wonder how much trouble they got in when the YouTube video was viewed by the AdA leadership and they got the tail number.

It's spectacular, but a fairly worthless exercise that placed a very valuable piece of equipment, not to mention the extraordinarily expensively trained crew, at unnecessary risk.

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: Buss61
Posted 2008-02-02 21:51:49 and read 3934 times.



Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
It's spectacular, but a fairly worthless exercise that placed a very valuable piece of equipment, not to mention the extraordinarily expensively trained crew, at unnecessary risk.

I thought the video was pretty awesome myself, that crew new full well what they were doing.

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: Moose135
Posted 2008-02-02 21:57:38 and read 3931 times.



Quoting Buss61 (Reply 3):

I thought the video was pretty awesome myself, that crew new full well what they were doing.

I'm sure this crew thought the same thing...

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: F27Friendship
Posted 2008-02-03 03:33:10 and read 3880 times.



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 4):
I'm sure this crew thought the same thing...

well... the B-52 took a lot more risk by flying low, slow and making turns and it stalled. The French KC-135 just flew low and fast.

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: DL021
Posted 2008-02-03 09:03:04 and read 3837 times.



Quoting Buss61 (Reply 3):
I thought the video was pretty awesome myself, that crew new full well what they were doing.

It was an awesome video...I didn't say it wasn't. The pilots are undoubtedly well trained. It was still an apparently unnecessary risk with a piece of equipment not really intended for that task. I can't imagine a military purpose for flying that low (where the wings could apparently hit the ground if you turn and bank too sharply or you could just be pancaked if a microburst or unusual thermal hit you. What if they lost an engine at that altitude or hit a bird? Poor judgement can be exercised by even the most qualified pilots.

This ain't like Tex Johnson doing barrel rolls at 10000 feet. He had time to recover if something happened and he was being fairly sedate...this is a high speed low altitude pass by guys who don't train for this with a fundamentally civilian airliner in air force grey.

Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 5):
well... the B-52 took a lot more risk by flying low, slow and making turns and it stalled. The French KC-135 just flew low and fast.

True, the BUFF, however, has a military purpose for flying that low and the pilot trained for it regularly. Evident mistakes were made, and it proves that it's dangerous even if you train for it and are flying airplanes with characteristics for flying that way are well known.

It was a bad idea, probably even if the pilots were flying a planned training mission with that profile being called for. I'll bet they weren't, but if anyone knows different and can put up a good reason for it then I'm all ears.

You can't LAPES something from a KC135....

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: F27Friendship
Posted 2008-02-03 09:18:48 and read 3827 times.



Quoting DL021 (Reply 6):
True, the BUFF, however, has a military purpose for flying that low and the pilot trained for it regularly.

but not that slow. I agree the French pilots took an awfull lot of risk (a birdstrike would really knack them) but at least they kept speed on it.

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: KevinSmith
Posted 2008-02-03 15:11:45 and read 3756 times.



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 4):

I'm sure this crew thought the same thing...

Interesting story behind that crash. Were you a SAC warrior? If so so surprised you didn't hear about it, no offense. I digress.

The pilot of the that a/c had a reputation as a hot shot. He had several documented incidents of putting his crew and airplane at risk (i.e crossing the top of ridges but less than 50ft). Fine for a maneuverable Mud hen but not so much for the decidedly unmaneuverable BUFF. The situation got so bad that the squadron DO or CC I believe, to his pilot that they were not to fly with him anymore, only he would. Unfortunately that decision ultimately cost him his life.

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: DL021
Posted 2008-02-03 20:16:46 and read 3725 times.



Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 7):
I agree the French pilots took an awfull lot of risk (a birdstrike would really knack them) but at least they kept speed on it.

I'm certainly not insinuating that the Froggie pilots were less than competent fliers. They just used poor judgement unless that was a called for mission.

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 8):
The pilot of the that a/c had a reputation as a hot shot.

I read that someplace.....I guess there's some truth to the "no old AND bold pilots" adage....

Topic: RE: French AF KC135 Low Pass In Chad
Username: Moose135
Posted 2008-02-03 20:25:09 and read 3723 times.

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 8):
Interesting story behind that crash. Were you a SAC warrior? If so so surprised you didn't hear about it, no offense. I digress.

Yes, I flew the KC-135, and I'm quite familiar with that crash. My point was I'm sure that crew thought they knew what they were doing as well, and we saw how that turned out.

[Edited 2008-02-03 20:27:27]


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