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Topic: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: Columba
Posted 2006-01-06 16:34:42 and read 6843 times.

STOCKHOLM, Sweden, Dec. 1, 2005 (PRIMEZONE) -- Gripen for Denmark, "Gripen DK," is the successful fighter aircraft Gripen adapted to fully meet specific Danish requirements. Gripen DK is the response to a Request for Information, RFI, for a replacement of the current fleet of F-16 fighters, issued by the Royal Danish Air Force Air Materiel Command ("Flyvematerielkommandoen").

The Gripen DK is based on the proven C- and D-versions of the Gripen fighter, already in NATO-use, but further enhanced and tailored specifically to suit the needs of the Royal Danish Air Force ("Flyvevabnet"), thus providing the ideal solution for a F-16 replacement.

"When the day has come for Denmark to replace its aging F-16's, we see that Gripen is an excellent replacement as the aircraft is very capable, operationally proven in service and also the most cost-effective solution. Add to this the outstanding level of Industrial Cooperation and high level of Technology Transfer we can offer, and I am certain we have an unbeatable offer!" Johan Lehander, Managing Director for Gripen International, said when the RFI response was delivered yesterday, Wednesday 30 November.

Gripen DK offers the Danish Air Force a number of benefits, including:


-- A fully NATO interoperable, Net Centric Warfare (NCW) solution,
featuring Nordic heritage and common sense

-- Significantly lower acquisition and operational cost compared with
alternative platforms

-- Optional early deliveries from 2013 resulting in additional
operational cost savings

-- Full Swedish Government, Air Force and Industry support

-- Access to all levels of technology enabling autonomy and increased
national security

-- A vast range of integrated European and US weapons resulting in
less dependencies

-- A low risk solution with a funded development program

-- An integrated logistics support solution from a proven supplier
close to Denmark

-- Generation of sustainable economic benefits through long term
industrial partnerships

Gripen DK -- The common sense solution

Gripen is the first of the new generation, multi-role combat aircraft that has entered service. Using the latest available technology it is capable of performing an extensive range of air-to-air and air-to-surface operational missions and employing the latest weapons. Gripen is designed to meet the demands of current and future threats, while at the same time meeting strict requirements for flight safety, reliability, training efficiency and low operating costs. Gripen is in service with the Swedish and Czech Republic Air Forces and has also been ordered by the South African and Hungarian Air Forces. The UK Empire Test Pilots' School (ETPS) is operating Gripen as its advanced fast jet training platform for test pilots worldwide.

http://www.primezone.com/newsroom/news.html?d=90596

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: TheSonntag
Posted 2006-01-06 19:26:27 and read 6800 times.

Given the fact that Denmark usually prefers Nordic solutions and the fact that they have used the Draken and the F-16 is a single-engine airplane, I certainly see chances for the Gripen in Denmark. It will also be cheaper than the Eurofighter, so it certainly is a strong competitor...

However, I always thought Denmark goes for the JSF, and I don't see Denmark ordering more than one type of airplane...

Michael

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: Jwenting
Posted 2006-01-06 21:17:57 and read 6764 times.

I wonder what specific adaptations they will implement, and hope it won't be the same style of stuff the Dutch did with the F5 and F16 which basically came down to stripping out parts until it no longer flew and then put the last part removed back in again.

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: Agill
Posted 2006-01-06 23:57:34 and read 6737 times.

Jwenting: Probably cupholders in the cockpit for the Tuborg beer  Smile

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: DL021
Posted 2006-01-07 00:02:48 and read 6735 times.

I too thought that Denmark was pretty solid in the camp with the F-35. I don't see the point of moving in a fundamentally lateral manner to an airplane with similar capabilities. The AM Falcon is not very far behind the Grypen in capability.

Unless something happens to the F-35 project I don't see this happening, no matter how confident Saab is.....maybe there is some end-of-year share/confidence boosting reason for such an announcement.....

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: GDB
Posted 2006-01-07 02:43:24 and read 6702 times.

Denmark has been more annoyed than most of the 2nd tier F-35 partners with US red tape, less than promised industrial share.

Actually, the latest Gripen, network enabled, refueling probe equipped, designed for relatively low cost, ease of maintenance-so good for being deployable, makes some sense for Demark.

They'll get a good, no strings, offset deal from SAAB, that's pretty clear.

They could afford more as well.

Gripen packs a lot into a small airframe, the F-16's need replacing in the next 10 years.

The lower costs of purchase and ownership, might even release funds for a couple of KC-130J's to support deployment, which Denmark usually up for doing. Their F-16's serve in Afghanistan, on rotation with the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Denmark sent forces to Iraq.

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: Alessandro
Posted 2006-01-07 06:58:56 and read 6679 times.

Well, Denmark pulled out of the joint submarine project and I don´t think the NH-90 order went throu? I think they´ll go for something else than Gripen...

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: GDB
Posted 2006-01-07 18:48:10 and read 6601 times.

But they ordered the EH-101 instead.
Despite the advantages of the 'Nordic Standard Helicopter' agreement, the NH-90 just was not enough helicopter for the high end of the Danish SAR part of the requirement.

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: Keesje
Posted 2006-01-08 23:25:52 and read 6471 times.

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
-- A fully NATO interoperable, Net Centric Warfare (NCW) solution,
featuring Nordic heritage and common sense

-- Significantly lower acquisition and operational cost compared with
alternative platforms

-- Optional early deliveries from 2013 resulting in additional
operational cost savings

-- Full Swedish Government, Air Force and Industry support

-- Access to all levels of technology enabling autonomy and increased
national security

-- A vast range of integrated European and US weapons resulting in
less dependencies

-- A low risk solution with a funded development program

-- An integrated logistics support solution from a proven supplier
close to Denmark

-- Generation of sustainable economic benefits through long term
industrial partnerships

All these selling points mentioned are basicly irritators that have come up lately regarding the JSF.

Obviously Saab is smelling blood..

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: Contact_tower
Posted 2006-01-09 00:20:31 and read 6460 times.

Quote:
-- A fully NATO interoperable, Net Centric Warfare (NCW) solution,
featuring Nordic heritage and common sense

But Saab allways fail to prove what you get in a Gripen that you don't get in a high Block nr. F-16........not counting bargain basement prices.

And then you allso get:

-Very short legs (With same air-air weapons load as an 70s vintage F-16, the mission time unrefueled is half that of the F-16)
-Limited warload
-Get to pay for STOL stuff you don't need
-a/c made by a company that have a combat proven design.....oh wait that was in dark africa in the 50s.
-Swing role aircraft....oh wait, that means that you can practice swing role, but since there is not enough hardpoints to carry load for more then one mission, that's a non-starter. 2 IRIS-T and 2 GBUs does not make it true swing role.....not possible to carry AIM120 at the same time as boms eigther.
(You cannot count the 2 inner hardpoints, because without taks on them, the range is F-104 territory)


Cheap? Very!
Great Mig-21 replacement, but for Denmark, they would trade down if they replace F-16AM M4 ships with the Gripen.
Same leauge as the competition? Not really, you get what you pay for!

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: Alessandro
Posted 2006-01-09 14:52:43 and read 6389 times.

Contact, last time was in Congo-Kinshasa during the 1960ies.

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: GDB
Posted 2006-01-09 20:23:52 and read 6343 times.

I can see a Gripen with two fuel tanks on inner wing pylons, on the outer wing pylons, two GBU's (or Mavericks, or a clutch of Brimstone or ASSM, or RBS-15 or it's replacement, should also be able to carry Storm Shadow/SCALP).

Designation/targeting pod on the offset fuselage hardpoint, probably a centre fuselage tank too.

Not a F-16 replacement as we usually see it, but if Denmark are unhappy with the lack of offset and restrictions with F-35, the Rafale and Typhoon too expensive, the Gripen might not be the totally ideal solution, but one that could be afforded in decent numbers, will provide an advance over F-16's in some areas, F-16's that are aging, even with the MLU upgrade carried out some years ago.

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: DEVILFISH
Posted 2008-02-26 13:14:59 and read 5536 times.

This is where I should have posted the following.....

This may not be good for the Gripen's prospects in Denmark.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...Wn8AAAEAAB560@AAAAAL&modele=jdc_34

"Denmark terminates defence contract with Saab, sues for 143 mln dkr"

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_JAS-39_Weapons_Options_Eskil_Nyholm_lg.jpg
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...eapons_Options_Eskil_Nyholm_lg.jpg

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: EBJ1248650
Posted 2008-03-02 17:57:19 and read 5078 times.



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 12):
This is where I should have posted the following.....

This may not be good for the Gripen's prospects in Denmark.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...Wn8AAAEAAB560@AAAAAL&modele=jdc_34

"Denmark terminates defence contract with Saab, sues for 143 mln dkr"

I couldn't pull that web page up. Details, please?

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: DEVILFISH
Posted 2008-03-02 18:18:19 and read 5065 times.



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 13):
I couldn't pull that web page up. Details, please?

It's not directly about the Gripen but SAAB. From the same link above.....

Danish Defence Acquisition and Logistics Organization Terminates Contract with Saab

(Source: Saab AB; issued Feb. 26, 2008)

Quote:
"The Danish Defence Acquisition and Logistics Organization (FMT) yesterday terminated a contract with Saab regarding a Command and Control System called DACCIS, aimed for the Danish Army.

The FMT has also claimed Saab for some DDK 143 million. Development of the current version of DACCIS has been ongoing for three years.

During the negotiation of an amendment, Saab and FMT have had different perspectives of the prerequisites, however it's Saab's belief that the amendment now can be implemented according to FMT's specifications and that the development can continue in a dialog with the FMT.

Saab does not see any ground to terminate the contract."

Topic: RE: Gripen For Denmark -- The Future Has Arrived
Username: Prebennorholm
Posted 2008-03-03 11:04:47 and read 4913 times.



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
Given the fact that Denmark usually prefers Nordic solutions...

That was a surprise to me. Apart from two squadrons Draken (operated in the 70'es and 80'es) practically no "Nordic" hardware has been used by Danish military. It has been American, American, and even more American, with a little British thrown in plus a few French choppers.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
I certainly see chances for the Gripen in Denmark. It will also be cheaper than the Eurofighter, so it certainly is a strong competitor...

Eurpfighter is currently out of the competition, shortlisting only the Gripen and the JSF. The Gripen certainly has a chance, but I think that the inside track belongs to the JSF. It will have a lot of influence what Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium chooses as F-16 replacement. The reason is that especially Norway, the Netherlands and Denmark often operate together in out of area engagements.

But we will have to wait a long time for the final decision. Our F16s have recently ended an expensive upgrade to F-16AM which for all practical things make them similar to new block 50 planes. They will most likely soldier on at least until 2020 (even if the air force might like to get new toys earlier). That makes the early delivery potential of the Gripen irrelevant. We can wait for the JSF.

The JSF will certainly be more expensive, but also more capable and a full generation newer.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
However, I always thought Denmark goes for the JSF, and I don't see Denmark ordering more than one type of airplane...

Like today Denmark will certainly not operate more than one type of combat aircraft. The order will most likely be no more than around 40 planes. That's no bargain for a country with just over 5 million people - it corresponds to 640 planes in a country like Germany with 16 times more population.


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